[serf]

its not that innocent.

a 200 dollar a month customer isn't trying to get around paying for tokens, theyre trying to use the tooling they prefer. opencode is better in a lot of ways.

tokens get counted and put against usage limits anyway, unless theyre trying to eat analytics that are CC exclusive they should allow paying customers to consume to the usage limits in however way they want to use the models.

[Bolwin]

Anthropic is offering a steep discount in their plans. I highly doubt they want you using it in a harness where you can trivially switch away when someone else releases a better model

[LinXitoW]

Funny, because you CAN switch Claude Code to other providers and models easily.

Anthropic is just a deeply "mis-dev-anthropic" company.

[touristtam]

> opencode is better in a lot of ways.

I use opencode everyday; can you explain how claudecode is much different and what it lacks?

[mapontosevenths]

> they should allow paying customers to consume to the usage limits in however way they want to use the models.

I think I agree, but it's their business to run however they like. They have competition if we don't like it.

[fastball]

A $200/m max subscriber using OpenCode and not wanting to use API keys with pay-per-token pricing is very clearly trying to get around paying for tokens.

[sambull]

Is there any limits to that users 200/month? Why should they not be able to use the limits to the extent from other tools?

If openclaw chews my 200/month up in 15 days... I don't get more requests for free

[fastball]

There is no monthly limit, it (currently) is a weekly and 5-hourly limit. If they allow anyone to use any tool with their subscription service, you could have a system (like OpenClaw) which involves 0 human interaction and is constantly consuming 100% of your token limit, then waiting until limits reset to do it all over again. It seems fairly clear that Anthropic is probably losing money on such usage patterns.

Once again: you can use API keys and pricing to get UNLIMITED usage whenever you want. If you are choosing to pay for a subscription instead, it is because Anthropic is offering those subscriptions at a much better value-per-token. They are not offering such a subscription out of the goodness of their heart.

[sambull]

There are 4 weeks in a month.

4 periods of weekly limits, is a monthly limit.

[fastball]

That's... not how that works. Might as well say Anthropic has a 63 day limit (cuz that's 9 weeks).

The point of the first half of my comment is that you cannot chew through your tokens in 15 days, because although the billing cycle is monthly, the limits are not.

[bdangubic]

4 weeks * 12 months = 48 weeks in a year * 7 days in a week = 336 days per year - close enough :)