[piinbinary]

> friends don’t just bring up type inference in casual conversation

I wonder if this is a reference to "I need you to understand that people don't have conversations where they randomly recommend operating systems to one another"

But to the actual point of the article: my understanding is that there are areas where you can use bidirectional typing (e.g. languages that have subclasses) where HM style type inference might become undecidable.

[laksjhdlka]

I once studied proof theory for a summer at a school in Paris and we talked about type inference and theorem proving all the time in casual conversation, over beers, in the park. It was glorious.

Being a student is so much fun, and we often waste it, or at least don't value it as much as we ought. 20 years later I'd love to go back.

[magicalhippo]

> Being a student is so much fun, and we often waste it, or at least don't value it as much as we ought. 20 years later I'd love to go back.

An aside, but some years ago I watched the demo 1995 by Kewlers and mfx[1][2] for the first time and had a visceral reaction precisely due to that, thinking back to my teen years tinkering on my dad's computer, trying to figure out 3D rendering and other effects inspired by demos like Second Reality[3] or Dope[4].

I seldom become emotional but that 1995 demo really brought me back. It was a struggle, but the hours of carefree work brought the joy of figuring things out and getting it to work.

These days it's seldom I can immerse myself for hours upon hours in some pet project. So I just look things up on the internet. It just doesn't feel the same...

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weGYilwd1YI

[2]: https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=25783

[3]: https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=63

[4]: https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=37

[mietek]

Join us in ##dependent on Libera IRC. We continue to talk about this stuff all the time, with a focus on Martin-Löf intuitionistic type theory.

[thunderseethe]

> I wonder if this is a reference to "I need you to understand that people don't have conversations where they randomly recommend operating systems to one another"

It is!

> my understanding is that there are areas where you can use bidirectional typing (e.g. languages that have subclasses) where HM style type inference might become undecidable

There are! Afaik most languages end up with a bidirectional system in practice for this reason. Haskell started out HM and has shifted to bidir because it interacts better with impredicative types (and visible type applications). Bidir can handle fancy features like subtyping and all sorts of nifty stuff.

[bboreham]

The subject does sometimes come up in my casual conversations, since Robin Milner was my first CS lecturer.

He never actually spoke about type inference in my presence. He did teach me CCS (pi-calculus predecessor) a couple of years later, by which time I could appreciate him.