[loandbehold]

They are behind Waymo but they are getting there. They started giving fully autonomous drives since last month without safety driver in Austin. Tesla chose a harder camera-only approach but it's more scalable once it works.

[robhlt]

Waymo can go camera-only in the future too by training a camera-only model alongside their camera+lidar model.

They'll probably get there faster too because the decisions the camera+lidar model makes can be used to automatically evaluate the camera-only model.

[flyinglizard]

Clearly at this point the camera-only thing is the ego of Musk getting in the way of the business, because any rational executive would have slapped a LIDAR there long ago.

[dyauspitr]

Why is it more scalable? LIDAR is cheap now.

[ahartmetz]

>more scalable

It's cheaper, that's all it is.

[TheTxT]

Which makes it easier to scale?

[ahartmetz]

Which using a five-dollar word to describe a one-cent fact.

Scalability is usually about O(n²) vs O(n log n) or something, not a smaller constant that's significant but not a game changer.

[ndsipa_pomu]

Not if they have to have remote drivers ready to help out with the "autonomous" system.

[swexbe]

...if it works.