[wredcoll]

Ah yes, the "culturally russian civilians" that... were mostly part of the ukraine army or the russian sponsored rebellion. Boy. How awful.

> I count a war as started when someone starts murdering people w the military

So saddam hussein started the second iraq-america war?

Don't answer that.

Also tell me more about your evidence of united states soldiers landing in ukraine and killing/capturing the existing government to replace it, that sounds like a really big scandal we should be talking about!

(Also, gee, I wonder why a government would be "anti-russian" during the past 50 years. Hmmm, nope, nothing comes to mind. Must be racism or something)

[user3939382]

tell me more about your evidence of united states soldiers landing in ukraine and killing/capturing the existing government to replace it

We have the phone recordings of our government picking the new government BEFORE the coup. What part of that don’t you understand?

So saddam hussein started the second iraq-america war? Don't answer that.

Whatever your counterpoint is here it’s so weak I don’t even know what it is. Using the military to kill civilians in Eastern Ukraine was definitely the start of the war, you can save the attempt at cleverness.

[wredcoll]

> Using the military to kill civilians in Eastern Ukraine was definitely the start of the war, you can save the attempt at cleverness.

I mean, you just made this up out of whole cloth. It's fiction, no it's worse than that, it's a deliberate lie, a fraud, a sham. And not a particularly believeable one either.