[johnnyanmac]

Okay. I'm glad you're privileged enough to where you can choose your customers. Customers that aren't abusive or otherwise out of their league thinking they know everything just because they have money.

Otherwise, you never feeelanced on the cheap.

[whstl]

Calling me "privileged" or "lucky" feels like a cheap attack on my competence.

I am certain that I went through the same problems you did in the past, maybe I just have a different way of dealing with them, or maybe I had even worse problems than you did but I have a different frame of comparison. We never stopped to compared notes.

All I'm saying is: for me dealing with business owners, end-users, CEOs and CTOs was always way easier than dealing with proxies. That's all.

[johnnyanmac]

>I am certain that I went through the same problems you did in the past,

And I'm certain you haven't if you really, never wanted a layer of separation between certain clients over behavioral issues that got in the way of the actual work. And I'm still male, so I'm sure I still have it better than certain other experiences I only heard third hand in my industry.

I don't see it as a cheap attack. Any teacher would love to be in a classroom exclusively made up of motivated honors students so they can focus on teaching and nurturing. Instead, most teachers tend to become parental proxies without the authority to actually discipline children. So they see a chair fly and at best they need to hope a principal handles it. But sometimes the kid is back in class the next day.

Its envy more than anything else.

[whstl]

Once again you are making assumptions about my experience. Can you please stop?

> if you really, never wanted a layer of separation between certain clients over behavioral issues that got in the way of the actual work

Who says I haven’t?

My entire complaint is that the layer of separation is often more difficult than customers, and doesn’t have the same incentives for behaving.

[johnnyanmac]

>you are making assumptions about my experience. Can you please stop?

You're 2 days into responding to a comment that amounted to "X depends on your exoerience". Is there something else you wish to get out of this thread?

Your complaint is an opinion. I disagree with that opinion. Unless you wish to ask about my experiences or go into yours, what's there to discuss here? Without that, I feel I said all I could on the topic.

[whstl]

All I'm asking is for you to please stop dismissing my experience as lucky or privileged, or claiming I didn't have problems.

I never said clients aren't difficult or that I only had good customers anywhere. Just that there might be worse problems elsewhere.

[johnnyanmac]

>please stop dismissing my experience as lucky or privileged

I'm not gonna harp on it. I'll go to bed and wake up completely forgetting about this thread unless I get another notification.

But you're basically telling me to shut off my feelings. Hard to do. I don't know your experiences, so my feelings can be wrong.

I'm unsure why you are putting so much stock into an uninformed feeling on the internet. It doesn't seem like we want to expand on our stories so there's not much more to go on. And that's fine.

I don't try to assert everything about you, but I'm just explaining the vibes I got. But that's all my words are: vibes.

>Just that there might be worse problems elsewhere

I love my industry and in my personal experience I can count on one hand how many truly problematic coilkeages I've worked with or under. I am lucky in that regard for my industry.

Meanwhile, clients and consumers constantly make me question if I want to continue this career long term. My plan was always to focus more on a B2B angle to insulate from that, but the current winds blowing suggest that angle might not even exist in a decade. So I want to at least have a side hustle ready.

And despite those notions, I'm still on the lucky end in terms of what third and even secondhand accounts I've heard of. Diving more into that pool is unsettling for me, but it might still be more stable than what's going on right now.