[cat_plus_plus]

"it's worth considering that there are many people with incredibly strong anti-LLM views, and those people tend to be minorities or other vulnerable groups."

I have pretty low expectations for human code in that repository.

[Seattle3503]

Is that claim even empirically true?

[ronsor]

The response mentioning minorities is obviously bad faith. Even if true, it's not really relevant, and most likely serves as a way to tie LLM use to slavery, genocide, or oppression without requiring rational explanation.

[latexr]

I just read it, and found no bad faith in it. It was polite, not pushy, explained the argument well (though of course you may disagree with it), gave a business reason, and even ended with “thank you for reading and considering this, if you do”.

> and most likely serves as a way to tie LLM use to slavery, genocide, or oppression without requiring rational explanation.

Assuming and ascribing nefarious motivations to a complete stranger can be considered bad faith, though. Probably not your intention, but that’s how it came across.

[ronsor]

I have observed this pattern before. Usually minority groups are mentioned in an attempt to shift a debate toward values (which basically means no meaningful debate if you disagree) and away from technical considerations (which arguably deserve the most attention in a software product).

Aside from that, the statement is not empirically true (from my perspective at least). Evidence isn't provided either. I'm not saying that the commenter consciously wanted to tie LLM use to those negative things, but it could be done subconsciously, because I have genuinely seen those arguments before.

[latexr]

I understand your point and believe you believe it, which is why I mentioned I don’t think you were arguing in bad faith. What I am saying is I don’t think the commenter in question was acting in bad faith either, because that requires deception. In other words, it seems to me that commenter—like yourself—was arguing genuinely. If one agrees with their argument (or yours) is a different matter altogether, but bad faith it doesn’t seem to be.

Hope that clarifies what I’m getting at.