[9x39]

This view reduces countries to nothing more than oversized hotels or economic zones, as if they don’t have communities that go back many generations and who would fight or die to defend the borders.

Think this through: If the world likes your real estate, they can just come in and take it over overnight? Borders suddenly don’t matter?

Pop caps can easily be understood as visa or naturalization buffers. Hysteria doesn’t help.

[donkeybeer]

Do you own that land? If you don't, then its not your land and not for you to decide what to do with it. Where has anyone proposed taking over someone's land?

[9x39]

The Swiss own Switzerland, to clear this up.

[donkeybeer]

Which swiss owns switzerland? Switzerland is 42000 sq km. Can you show me land deeds by owners that cover the entire area?

[9x39]

Well, you can start with Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantons_of_Switzerland#Constit...

Then, you could reach out to the Cantons and ask about individual parcels or titles.

We can measure whether they have ownership by testing if they respond to trespass, maybe by constructing a building and seeing they mobilize a response.

Where do you want to move the goalposts next?

[donkeybeer]

You are the one who made this really odd claim, you do the homework and show me, otherwise retract your nonsense. Who is they? Unless they physically own a title to the land the building was being made on, why should they get any say? You are the one said swiss "own" switzerland, so you need to show me the sum total of all private land deeds covers the entirely of switzerland. Not your land, not your decision. And unless you can produce an actual land deed, "trespass" is completely bullshit.

[rimbo789]

Nationalism and borders have done very little for humanity.

The world would be a better place if we defined our communities by how we welcomed people and not by who we excluded

[9x39]

If that was the case, there would be no need to worry about migrating to the area formerly-known-as-Switzerland to be among its people, would there?

The people who clamor for moving there now could simply remake what they imagine liking about it in another area - careful not to erect borders or engender any kind of pride or loyalty to what they build, naturally.

[donkeybeer]

I support anti nationalism all over the world. The rest of the countries are shitty too. I still am yet to see what good nationalism and religon have given us in balance against the huge negatives they have bred.