[akrymski]

As a longtime Android user, I can't imagine going back to iOS for a number of reasons:

- Still no multiple-accounts feature in WhatsApp - No app cloning (multiple versions of the same app with different logins) - Crazy monthly storage fees with no ability to control photo storage on phone - All google apps including Chrome, Gmail & Maps work better on Android and sync with Chrome on desktop - No gemini built-in - No fingerprint reader - No multiple physical sims - Slower charging

I'm really not sure why anyone would pay more for an iPhone besides social signalling.

[seec]

Yep. Basically the iPhone was very good at the start because Jobs smelled the future with his legendary intuition, but it was still a flawed product. They won because it took competitors years to meaningfully catch up.

But now they are falling behind quite hard. In general, you just can't compete alone against a free market, and Apple gets a lot more profit compared to their volume, but they are unable to use it for meaningful improvement.

If nothing changes at Apple, I think they'll have a hard time in the next decade. Apple being forced to rely on a competitor for AI is just the sign of complacency that will get them in trouble.

[ricardobeat]

I suspect 99% of users have no use for multiple versions of the same app.

€10/month for 2TB storage is pretty good. I don’t use any google apps, or Chrome. Charge overnight so speed doesn’t matter.

Now the parts you didn’t mention:

- Apple makes great hardware, iPhones last forever (typing this from my virtue-signaling 2020 phone, my 2007 iPod touch still works).

- A similar spec Android costs about the same but usually has a flimsy plastic build and will become unsupported in 2-4 years

- Amazing integration with MacOS; continuity, camera, seamless sync for everything, seeing SMSes and calls on your laptop

And most importantly, despite the seriously degrading quality in the past years, the Apple ecosystem is still ahead in software and design. iOS apps are better designed, especially third party ones. They rarely crash, I go years without restarting my phone.

Android is definitely a lot closer than it was 7-8 years ago, but Material UI is still a complete clusterfuck and who wants to entrust Google with all their data? Apple not being an advertising company plays a huge role here.

[jhasse]

> A similar spec Android costs about the same but usually has a flimsy plastic build and will become unsupported in 2-4 years

Maybe 10 years ago, but this couldn't be further from the truth today.

[SSLy]

> €10

Apple has frozen their currency matrix at 2022-2023 levels, so in plenty countries they charge much (20%+) more than that.

[dgellow]

I have an iPhone SE, and social signaling has literally not cross my mind at any point when deciding for it. It has the perfect size and form factor, I know it will be supported for at minimum 5y, and the cost is perfectly reasonable. That’s pretty much the only things I care about. It also has a fingerprint reader, and none of your reasons are things I do care about. I think I pay 2.99€ for monthly storage? Which is fine, that’s low enough that I couldn’t care less if that’s cheaper somewhere else

So, that’s a data point if you want to consider others perspective