[DrScientist]

Maybe. Though you have missed out the second part - which doesn't talk about cleansing - it only talks about end of occupation.

Only one side is an illegally occupying power who took the land by force from the people who were peacefully living there.

And don't quote me events from ~2000 years ago.

If everyone held grudges that long the whole world would be at war.

The people in the West bank currently being driven from their homes - they aren't a threat to Israel - they are just farmers working their land. Trying to pick their olives.

It's a false equivalence to say there are two sides, on the one hand and the other.

[throw4789296]

Well the Arabic version is often “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be Arab” or “Palestine will be Muslim”.

Given the number of Jews who live in areas under full Palestinian authority (or in any other Arab countries), we know that “free” means “Jew-Free”.

And given the way you refer to all of it as “Occupation”. Including the parts that were legally purchased, developed, and built by Jews, the parts where Jews and Muslims live freely together as equal citizens, the implication is that all of that needs to be dismantled as well.

What’s your intention with the Jews who live there?

[DrScientist]

Are you denying the West bank is under occupation? Are you denying, that Arab citizens of Israel are not treated equally under the law?

> What’s your intention with the Jews who live there?

Eh? I have no 'intention', nor implied master plan - nor indeed have any personal stake in the region - other than to say that the running sore of the obvious injustice creates problems well beyond it's borders. Militant Islam is of course a problem - but I'd say Israel's current actions are one of the best recruiting agents.

I will say is that Arabs, Christians, others and Jews were quite happily living side by side in the region before the Zionist colonial project, there is no reason that can't be the situation again.

[throw4789296]

The West Bank is under occupation, Israel itself is not.

There may be some racism as in every other country, but Israeli Arabs have the same rights as Jews in Israel (and if you visit, you will see them living side by side and getting on well). Asides from being able to travel to certain areas, which the Arabs are allowed but Jews are not. And that military service is optional for Arabs.

It doesn’t matter if Christians and Jews were historically tolerated in Muslim countries. There’s no other country in the world that has proportionally this many Muslims and Jews living together. To think that you can replace it with a better model based on neighbouring countries is ridiculous or disingenuous.

[DrScientist]

> but Israeli Arabs have the same rights as Jews in Israel

That is simply not true. For example the 2023 Citizenship and Residency Revocation Law specifically only applies to one type of Israeli citizen.... guess which one?

>there may be some racism as in every other country

The question is whether than racism is part of the law and policy of the country. It's quite clear, under the current leadership, that if you are 'other' then you are second class.

Here's another example:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/02/knesset-must-...

> The West Bank is under occupation, Israel itself is not.

So Israels actions in the West bank are thus somehow not relevant???

> with a better model based on neighbouring countries is ridiculous or disingenuous

Senior members of the current Israeli government ( and I specifically make a distinction here between the goverment and the country ), are quite openly calling what can only be described as ethnic cleansing.

And as well as the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, Israel is currently also occupying parts of Lebanon, Syria, and also appears to want a war with Iran.

The solution isn't to cleanse/kill everyone else, the solution is to find a way to live side by side.

[throw4789296]

You’ve given two examples of laws regarding the punishment of terrorists who have been convicted of killing Israelis (Arabs or Jews). There’s nothing in the wording of these laws that’s specific to the perpetrator’s race or religion (or the victims’). There’s only your implication that these terrorists are more likely to be Palestinian.

[DrScientist]

Nope - here's is an AI summary of the 2023 law.

The Key "Exclusionary" Mechanism The Funding Clause: The law authorizes the Interior Minister to revoke citizenship or residency only if the person was convicted of a terror offense and it is proven they (or someone on their behalf) received monetary benefits from the Palestinian Authority in connection with that act.

Practical Effect: Because only Palestinian prisoners/families receive these specific PA stipends, the law does not apply to Jewish citizens who commit acts of terror, even if they are convicted of the same offenses.

ie It's if you are a terrorist and receive money ( like a pension,wage, benefit ) from the PA. It's quite clearly constructed to not include Jewish right-wing terrorist acts.

This was openly discussed, as the intent, in the Knesset when the law was passed.

See: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/12/how-israel-used-dis...

None of this is surprising if you look at what the key political players have said in public - they are openly supremacist.

There is a reason for the ICC,ICJ cases.

Can't reply to post below due to depth - so reply here:

The point is that only terrorism funded by the PA counts - why add the PA funding qualification??? So for example if some settler movement funds people to terrorize Palestinians - it's not covered.

Surely terrorism is terrorism? The PA qualification aim is clear.

That's why all citizens are not equal before the law. It's very clearly specifically designed to favour one set of people over another.

It's quite open - I don't understand why you feel the need to redefine black as white.