[lysace]

I'm getting a strong feeling that the first generation of really, really talented people who built iOS in the 2000s have now to a substantial degree moved on/retired. Similar feeling with OS X/macOS.

Please correct me if I'm wrong - it is after all just a feeling.

[sunaookami]

I have this feeling for every software out there.

[thewebguyd]

It’s not overly far fetched. A lot of the software and platforms we use now we’re all developed around the same time period.

There’s obviously new talent coming in to the industry but the attitudes are different, and talented people like to make new things not work on someone else’s legacy code.

So yeah I think it’ll continue to get worse until something new replaces iOS/Android/macOs/Windows hegemony.

[lysace]

So Apple has a new software crisis on their hands. Echoes of the 90s.

Well Microsoft too, but their customers are long used to working/living in a dumpster fire.

[smokel]

People who like building new things, like building new things.

[dzdt]

And people who like getting raises dont like leaving things alone...

[gyomu]

The problem isn’t so much that the original people aren’t there anymore - that’s just a fact of life, and is unavoidable.

The problem is that software design as a discipline has changed fundamentally in terms of core values. “Old school” designers had a bit more of a human factors training and would think about things like discoverability, information hierarchy, error recovery, etc. And the software from that era tended to be stable for many years in terms of design, in no small part because it shipped in boxes.

Current day designers work almost exclusively from a visual bling/marketing angle - what’s going to look good in a 5 second sizzle reel? And because software can be updated 5 times a day if you want, design is much more subject to the whims of a random exec/PM wanting to push their feature/whatever AB test is popular that week rather than stable, proven foundations.

The web, rather than desktop, being the primarily delivery vehicle for software also changes what kind of design gets built.

And with more and more software being AI designed in the years to come, this won’t get much better I’m afraid.

[ASalazarMX]

IMO Apple grew too much it became another slow megacorp, more connected to their quarterly reports and shareholders than their consumers and engineers. The growing Apple was the one that gave us innovation.

I'm not saying it's dead, not by far, but it has become stale. The biggest innovation it has made in 10+ years was using their mobile processors in laptops.

[graemep]

That is the usual path. You can say the same of Google or Microsoft or pretty much any big tech company.

Its true of many businesses outside tech too.

[materielle]

I think the problem is actually political capital.

Someone who deeply understands how to qualify the product.

But with enough political sway to tell entire orgs of 1000s employees to shred their timelines and planning docs and go back to the lab until it’s right.

Without those two pieces, the problem is that individual devs and leaders know that there’s a problem. But the KPIs and timelines must lurch onwards!