[throw-qqqqq]

> And given that in Austin they just reached parity with Waymo

Tesla is far behind Waymo on all meaningful measures.

Waymo sells more than 450k rides every week. Tesla is nowhere near that number.

Waymo offers rides in six cities. Tesla does two.

According to https://robotaxitracker.com/ Tesla has ~250 taxis in total. Waymo has +2500.

[small_model]

Well Tesla just launched their robotaxi 6 months ago whereas Waymo has been going for a decade? Just looking at a point in time is a bit silly, look at the change over time.

The bottom line is cost per mile and Waymo can't complete here, there is also style, Waymo's vehicles are extremely ugly looking cars vs the Cybercab. Tesla also has integrated everything from the chip up. Waymo is a cobbled together solution from multiple third party (very expensive) components.

Is the consumer going to pick a more expensive, ugly, non integrated vehicle for their trip?

[jerlam]

> Is the consumer going to pick a more expensive, ugly, non integrated vehicle for their trip?

The consumer does not care about which car picks them up or what hardware integration it has. The consumer cares about which car is available in their service area, how quickly it will arrive, how much it will cost, how quickly it can get to their destination, and that it will do so safely.

[throw-qqqqq]

> Well Tesla just launched their robotaxi 6 months ago whereas Waymo has been going for a decade? Just looking at a point in time is a bit silly, look at the change over time.

I am only refuting the claim that Tesla has reached parity with Waymo in Austin. They are nowhere near.

Because Tesla has a history of over-promising and under-delivering, I will want to see Tesla scale up the robotaxi business to the level of Waymo (which is currently far ahead) before I proclaim them the winner.

You are not really backing your claims with facts or numbers, just opinion and future predictions which may or may not come true.

[hnburnsy]

I hope they are both successful, find their own niche, and even more players enter the market.

[throw-qqqqq]

Agree, competition is healthy.