[roryirvine]

Are there any successful autonomous driving systems that don't use lidar?

Sure, Wayve did some experiments with just radar + vision, but now incorporate lidar across their fleet. Waymo, Pony.ai, and WeRide have always used it.

You can shout "you don't need it!" as loud as you like, but the people who are actually building and running these systems seem to disagree.

[rhubarbtree]

Except for everyone at Tesla.

[roryirvine]

Tesla don't belong in a list of companies with working autonomous driving systems.

They might get there one day but, since they've been breaking promises about it for longer than those other companies have been in existence, at this point it's reasonable to treat what they have to say with extreme scepticism.

[UltraSane]

Everyone at Tesla probably thinks they should use LiDAR but Musk doesn't want to so they don't. Just like so many people must have told Musk using stainless steel for the body of the cybertruck was a terrible idea and he did it anyway. Musk is deep in the "only talks with yes men" phase of being a billionaire.