[toraway]

IMO, an extreme outlier in a system that was still fundamentally dependent on learning to develop until suffering from a defect (via deterioration, not flipping a switch turning off every neuron's memory/learning capability or something) isn't a particularly illustrative counter example.

[mapontosevenths]

Originally you seemed to be claiming the machines arent conscious because they weren't capable of learning. Now it seems that things CAN be conscious if they were EVER capable of learning.

Good news! LLM's are built by training then. They just stop learning once they reach a certain age, like many humans.