[NinjaTrance]

> It requires deep understanding of customer usage to know whether it's a mistake at all

Software developers like customizable tools.

That's why IDEs still have "vim keybindings" and many other options.

Your user is highly skilled - let him decide what he wants to see.

[idopmstuff]

There are a lot of Claude Code users who aren't software developers. Maybe they've decided that group is the one they want to cater to? I recognize that won't be a popular decision with the HN crowd, but that doesn't mean it's the wrong one.

[ivan_gammel]

I fully agree with you on almost everything you wrote in this thread, but I’m not sure this is the right answer. I myself currently spend a lot of time with CC and belong to that group of developers who don’t care about this problem. It’s likely that I’m not alone. So it doesn’t have to be the least professional audience they serve with this update. It’s possible that Anthropic knows what are they doing (e.g. reducing level of detail to simplify task of finding something more important in the output) and it’s also possible that they are simply making stupid product decisions because they have a cowboy PM who attacks some OKR screaming yahoo. We don’t know. In the end having multiple verbosity levels configured with granularity similar to java loggers would be nice.

[idopmstuff]

Oh totally - I'm definitely not saying that they made the decision to cater to non-dev users, just that it's a possibility. Totally agree with you that at the end of the day, we haven't the foggiest idea.

[NewsaHackO]

Yeah, I made a similar point about the tone of ChatGPT responses; to me, I can't imagine why someone would want less information when working and tuning an AI model. However, something tells me they actually have hard evidence that users respond better with less information regardless of what the loud minority say online, and are following that.

[collaborative]

100%. Metrics don't lie. I've A/B tested this a lot. Attention is a rare commodity and users will zone out and leave your product. I really dislike this fact

[disgruntledphd2]

> Metrics don't lie

Metrics definitely lie, but generally in a different way to users/others. It's important to not let the metric become the goal, which is what often happens in a metric-heavy environment (certainly Google & FB, not sure about the rest of big tech).

[mingus88]

Then why is the suggestion to use verbose mode treated as another mistake?

The user is highly skilled; let them filter out what is important

This should be better than adding an indeterminate number of toggles and settings, no?

[8note]

does claude code let me control whats output when?

verbose i think puts it on the TUI and i cant particularly grep or sed on the TUI