[red_hare]

I hate to say it, but "vibe-coders" are just "coders" now.

It's a huge shift, but we need to start thinking of AI-tools as developer tools, just like a formatter, linter, or IDE would be.

The right move is diversity. Just like diversity of editors/IDEs. We need good open source claude code alternatives.

[ezekiel68]

They aren't, though.

As a SE with over 15 years' professional experience, I find myself pointing out dumb mistakes to even the best frontier models in my coding agents, to refine the ouput. A "coder" who is not doing this on the regular is only a tool of their tool.

(in my mental model, a "vibe coder" does not do this, or at least does not do it regularly)

[lukan]

Well, the term lacks clarity and a shift of meaning.

If you define "vibe-coders" as people who just write prompts and don't look at code - no, they ain't coders now.

But if you mean people who do LLM-assistet coding, but still read code (like all of those who are upset by this change) - then sure, they always have been coders.