[darth_avocado]

> But $45k++ is just wild to me

It’s just surprising to me that this is surprising to anyone in 2026. New cars are no longer $20-30k in the US and haven’t been since 2021. Average transaction price is now $50k+, so if companies like Rivian that skip the dealership model charge $45k, it really isn’t that expensive. The only new cars under $30k are sedans and hatchbacks. And most of them start at almost $27-30k for base price not including all the bs dealership fees.

[riku_iki]

> New cars are no longer $20-30k in the US and haven’t been since 2021.

there are plenty cars in this subrange, its just Americans prefer to spend more on extra features.

[darth_avocado]

You ignored the second half of the statement:

> The only new cars under $30k are sedans and hatchbacks. And most of them start at almost $27-30k for base price not including all the bs dealership fees.

[riku_iki]

that statement is factually wrong too

[consumer451]

New base Nissan Leaf is ~30k after delivery fee, and looks pretty darn great.

[darth_avocado]

I’m not sure if you’re agreeing to what I said or if this is meant as a counterpoint. But that’s kind of proving my point, new cars are pretty expensive these days. If you’re getting a base Nissan Leaf for $30k, SUVs costing $45k don’t sound that unreasonable.

[riku_iki]

they from whatever reason made it much shorter and smaller than previous gen..