[matthewkayin]

Don't be ridiculous, talking about "partisan fear". They have taken away documented, American citizens without due process.

When armed men can take you out of your home or your car and whisk you away without a judicial warrant and without due process, it is very reasonable to be afraid.

[mattmaroon]

It’s really not. Define taken away. They’ve absolutely detained some citizens, then let them go.

And again, not defending what they are doing, they are awful,but you are probably more likely to be hit by lightning than you are to have any of your family planning go wrong because of them if you are a full citizen. (If you are undocumented here right now, yeah, totally.)

Hysterical people think they are being rational and stuff like this is exactly what they say.

[prh8]

Their own data reports that they are holding tens of thousands of citizens who have committed no crimes.

They have murdered people in broad daylight and allowing many more to suffer and even die in their facilities.

People are not being hysterical, and the people who are downplaying or ignoring this are showing that they are in fact evil.

[kadabra9]

Tens of thousands of "citizens" or "residents"?

There's an important distinction here.

[prh8]

Citizens. US citizens

[thunderfork]

First they came for the "residents", and I said nothing, because there were important distinctions to be made...

[kadabra9]

So in other words your claim that they are holding tens of thousands of "citizens" is fabricated. cool, thanks for clearing that up.

[thunderfork]

I'm not the person you think you're replying to.

However, since you're here: etymological arguments are really not the win you should be chasing.

[Izikiel43]

> Their own data reports that they are holding tens of thousands of citizens who have committed no crimes.

A source would be nice

[BeetleB]

> Define taken away.

You already did it:

> They’ve absolutely detained some citizens, then let them go.

That is taken away.

Someone in my network - a US citizen - was detained, taken to a city 3 hours away, and held for 10 days before being released. Was quite a while before her family knew where she was.

If you're an American who is visibly Hispanic, it's not at all hysterical. If you're in one of those cities, you do have to worry whether you'll return home when you leave your house.

[bigyabai]

> you are probably more likely to be hit by lightning

I get that you're trying to rationalize this scenario, but this line is completely false. If there was a nation-wide wave of aviation terrorism, it would not be appropriate to say that you're "more likely to be hit by lightning" than risk your life in a plane. The situation has changed, and they're not being hysterical for observing the trends and adjusting accordingly.

Lightning has a relatively static chance of hitting you. The likelihood of feds accidentally executing you in your hometown is on the rise, and we don't know when it will stop climbing.

[handedness]

> Lightning has a relatively static chance of hitting you.

That was fun.

[samus]

Do you really think you have a holographic sign floating above you that tells them you are a citizen? How are you sure you are above suspicion to be an undocumented immigrant? Could you prove you aren't if some goons decided to pick you off the street right now or next time you go for a walk?

All this is about expanding the reach and normalizing abuse of the power of law enforcement, just like back then after 9/11.

It's like Germany in the 1930s again when Jews were required to wear a yellow star on their clothes, but the other way round.

[a_better_world]

or just shoot you while you are in your car.