[ses1984]

I am not sure I understand what you’re saying.

If meta can read those messages, then they’re most definitely not e2e encrypted.

Given the historical record, you would be a fool to assume that any service run by a public company isn’t fully tapped by US intelligence agencies. They’ve been tapping anything and everything they can get their hands on, why stop at whatsapp?

Let me flip it around: what proof do you actually have that it is e2e encrypted? Zuckerberg pinky promised?

[saintfire]

You didn't actually flip it around at all.

They're stating they doubt Meta would ever allow full e2ee, which is not evidence but simply speculation.

AND

They asked for a source/evidence to prove their hunch is more than speculative.

[ses1984]

What standard of proof is required here? It’s not criminal court.

The original post I replied to simply asked for proof, without also stating they doubt meta would ever allow e2ee.

My post is more directed at other readers who might take the absence of a smoking gun as an assumption of safety.