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by bawolff 134 days ago
As a general rule in cryptography, a lot of vulnerabilities relate confusing the system by using a correct thing in the wrong context. Making it a rule that you have to use separate chains for separate purposes is a good rule from a general design standpoint.
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> Making it a rule that you have to use separate chains for separate purposes is a good rule from a general design standpoint.

No it's not. It's a specific argument, that's true only in specific cases. You shouldn't handle knives, is equally a good rule from a general design standpoint. But nonsensical when you're a chef.

You should have separate chains is a reasonable decision when the ability to rotate out a compromised chain, and insulate some downtime, from other chains/usages is desirable. Needing to manage multiple cert chains is more overhead. Making use or maintenance harder. It increases complexity.

Large companies have never been afraid of more overhead. It's their singular advantage.

Removing features someone is using, and calling it better security, when it doesn't actually meaningfully reduce or remove some risk is weaponized incompetence. And sufficiently advanced incompetence, is....

There's no world where anyone gains additional protection, from a 3rd party compromise. Or one where LE has one of chains compromised, but doesn't rotate all of them.

Except we didn't get a separate chain - all we got is that from now on software will just ignore the "client" flag and accept the "server" flag for client purposes, adding one more hack onto the pile of hacks that is the Internet.
That's far from clear. XMPP is still probably a minor use caee of client certificates.
Yeah buy why would anyone go through the trouble of bootstrapping a whole new PKI instead of just flipping an if statement?

I'm curious what other use cases there have been for domain-validated client certs aside from XMPP.

So, FUD.