[tayo42]

> people think it's the engineering teams that are the problem;

It could be, some people are just terrible at their job. Lots of teams have low quality standards for their work.

Maybe that still comes down to leaders but for different reasons. You can ship useless features without downtime.

[tjwebbnorfolk]

Permitting terrible engineers to continue to work for you is a management problem.

[tayo42]

Sort of I think. There's a culture aspect to it too. Everything is blameless, there's no reason to not mess up.