[cthalupa]

It's very easy to believe that Epstein cultivated a massive quantity of relationships with any sort of rich, famous, influential, or powerful person he could. It's very easy to believe that many of them, for much of his existence, had no idea what was really going on. It's very easy to believe that plenty of "normal" (for relative values of normal here) people had no idea how to act when this all came to light and just shut up and avoided it and hoped none of this ever surfaced.

But we also know a whole fucking lot of them did know exactly what was going on and partook in some manner.

And as an everyday person who can realistically make zero impact on any of these people? Fuck if I've got the time to try and sort out which person falls into which group. The courts can figure that out if they actually start doing anything about all of this.

For me? I'm writing 'em all off.

[KingOfCoders]

The question never is: Did you know? But: Should you have known? Willfully ignoring things is not a defense.

[cthalupa]

I don't have enough information to answer that or the time to research it, and indeed, this is part of my point.

And thus why I'm writing the whole lot of them off it looks like they had real interaction with Epstein.

[dogma1138]

We went to prison in the mid 2000’s for soliciting under aged girls for prostitution so any relationship since then cannot really claim ignorance.

[pseudohadamard]

And how many people here had ever heard of his conviction for soliciting before 2019?

[Gud]

How many here hang out with obvious Mossad agents?

[kyleblarson]

At least we can rest knowing that all of these rich, famous, powerful people will face consequences for their disgusting actions....

[db48x]

> But we also know a whole fucking lot of them did know exactly what was going on and partook in some manner.

Actually, you don’t know that. You’re merely assuming it.

[cthalupa]

So all the trafficking was occurring just for Epstein himself?

C'mon.

[db48x]

Be careful, that’s not what I said. In response to your statement that “a whole fucking lot of them did know exactly what was going on and partook”, I said only that you don’t have personal knowledge of the facts needed to prove your statement. You don’t know if Epstein provided girls for “a whole fucking lot” of people or just a few. You have no knowledge of how many “partook”. As there have been no convictions of anyone else, none of us do. All we have are allegations. Please confine yourself to statements of fact.

[cthalupa]

More than a billion dollar global sex trafficking ring. Girls from all over latin america, america itself, france, england, asia. There is more than enough information available to know that this involved more than a hundred people.

That's a whole fucking lot of people to be partaking in a child sex trafficking ring and this idea that somehow we need to know which specific individuals were involved and have convictions for them to make a statement that is plainly true is really weird.

[db48x]

He had a net worth of half a billion, I thought. And there’s no reason to suspect that he used all of it for nefarious activities. A million dollars would have sufficed to fly girls from all over the world. But that’s beside the point.