[swagasaurus-rex]

can we also blame the DNC for not holding an election for who would run against trump?

Or the DNC for throwing Bernie under the bus in 2016 (he would have beaten trump)?

Maybe the two party system has grown rotten to the core

[toomuchtodo]

No. You had a choice. I voted for Harris (who I do not like as a progressive) instead of chaos and destruction, others had the same choice. To not vote out of protest was a vote for this.

Better luck next time. ~2M voters 55+ age out every year. Can we do better? Remains to be seen.

[verdverm]

1/3 are D and voted Harris

1/3 are R and voted Trump

1/3 are I and voted their wallet

handwavy, but not inaccurate

[toomuchtodo]

If you’re voting for your wallet, I don’t take offense, simply vote for someone with a plan grounded in reality, and at least some history of success. This is not what has happened.

GM prepares for economic downturn: 'It's coming,' CFO says - https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/general-mot... | https://archive.today/P8WUE - February 5th, 2026

[verdverm]

Right, so if we go back to 2024, the Dems were in charge and things felt sucky, the last time they remember feeling good about their wallet was Trump 1

This is what exit polls told us, this is the track record they were looking at

You have your timelines wrong. Presenting an article as an I told you so does not explain how people were thinking 2 years ago and how that influenced their vote

[toomuchtodo]

The last administration left this administration one of the healthiest economies in US history, regardless of consumer sentiment and vibes, this is a fact based on objective economic metrics around unemployment, job growth rates, wage gains, etc.

Exit polls are no longer reliable due to voters lying. If voters were upset with prices, and therefore vote for someone with no plan to improve prices besides "I will fix them" and then does nothing to fix them, well, not much you can do about that. Voters voted, in some combination of economic unsophistication (not knowing "How do prices go down?" but believing anyone who says they could make it happen without a plan) and racism (below citation), for this. This is what they get until next elections. If they experience economic harm due to these outcomes, again, not much you can do about that, we're on rails assuming political and governance system election timelines. But this is how we got here, based on the evidence and data.

White Americans’ feelings of being “last place” are associated with anti-DEI attitudes, Trump support, and Trump vote during the 2024 U.S. presidential election - https://advances.in/psychology/10.56296/aip00046/ | https://doi.org/10.56296/aip00046

Abstract: Due to racial wealth inequality in the U.S.—inequality that benefits White Americans on average—many Americans associate White people with wealth. Yet, many White Americans report feeling like they, personally, are “falling behind.” We conducted a five-wave longitudinal study with a representative quota sample of non-Hispanic, White Americans (N = 506) during the 2024 U.S. presidential election. We found that White Americans who feel they are falling behind White and Asian Americans, while also being close to being passed by Black and Hispanic Americans, within a perceived tight status hierarchy, reported the most support for DEI bans and Trump, controlling for objective status. Further, White Americans with these status perceptions were most likely to vote for Trump in the 2024 election. We conclude that White Americans’ subjective perceptions of their position in the racial economic hierarchy meaningfully relate to political attitudes and behavior.

The Findings: Using a statistical technique called Latent Profile Analysis (LPA), we identified distinct groups based on where people subjectively ranked themselves and other racial groups on the American status ladder.

* We found a specific group of White Americans (~15% of our sample) who perceived themselves as "tied for last place" with Black Americans.

* Crucially: This group was the most likely to vote for Donald Trump and support bans on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives.

* Importantly, this effect held true even when we controlled for their actual income, education, age, and gender. In other words, feeling like you are losing status predicted voting behavior more strongly than actually having low status.

Author AMA (scheduled for Monday, Feb 9th, 10:00am EST): https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1qz9158/we_are_pr...

[verdverm]

I don't disagree with your facts, just that they don't matter to many people when it comes to voting

Those people who voted based on their wallets were looking backwards, not forwards. I believe this is the core flaw in your logic about them selecting the best candidate for their wallet

[verdverm]

fyi, why do you find this noteworthy? It is the expected outcome based on my understanding of the trends globally around wealth inequality over more than a decade. That "last place" defines much of rural MAGA, but a lot of them and many more talk about it without race. The elites / oligarchs (though not the words they necessarily use) are more often the cause (maybe as portrayed by the govt and globalists?)

> First, we think it is noteworthy that a very simi- lar “last place” subjective status profile emerged at all. This replication, even years later, suggests that the feeling among some White Americans that they are “last place,” even if tied for it, has been a persistent under- current in U.S. politics

[themacguffinman]

No, DNC picking a bad candidate should be responsible for a D electoral loss, it is not responsible for Trump's electoral win. A lot of people seem to think only the DNC has agency in elections, only they should be responsible for outcomes.

[direwolf20]

You can blame the DNC for all the badness of Harris (the minimum badness you were able to choose in the election). You can't blame the DNC for all the difference between Kamala and Trump. That was entirely up to you.

[voxl]

I voted for Bernie in the primary, for Hilary; Biden; and Harris in the general elections. At no point did I think to myself "Now is the time to be an idealist about the DNC, right when we're combating fascism"

The DNC is an embarrassment, the two party system is a democratic disaster, but accelerationists? They're evil.