[lotsofpulp]

> - pay teachers more with commensurate increase in accountability. (You can't have only one.)

I would bet 90% of the problem is the attitude towards learning at home and among the peer group, who also get their attitudes from home. Doesn’t seem effective or fair to hold teachers accountable for that.

[scrubs]

Right. But I covered that re: holding kids accountable. I'm a father .. believe me when I tell you several times I had to have a come to Jesus talk with my kid; teachers and school were fine. It's not 100% on the teacher. If the kid refuses to grow up I think he/she shouldn't matriculate in that subject. That means the kid is chiefly held responsible. I'll be applauding not scolding the teacher.

[simonsarris]

Maybe, but then do we really need teachers with special degrees and other credentials that drive up cost for them and us? Maybe we can find a way to make education much cheaper if we're going to admit its limitations.