[jghn]

I find this and Starship Troopers to fit in a similar niche for me. When I first saw them I found them very cringey, horrible, couldn't stand it. Hackers for the reasons being discussed here. ST because of how bastardized it was from the source material.

But over time I grew to love both of them. In both cases I started to appreciate how they weren't trying to be faithful representations, but rather capture a particular ethos in a cheesy & over the top way. And both of them I think hit their mark well in that regard.

[wredcoll]

What is it with people feeling compelled to talk about starship troopers movie being different (lesser) than the book?

Like, there's not that much to the book. It's a decently written "joins the military" story with a couple of well developed characters and one unique idea about sci-fi warfare (the suits spending most of their time jumping, which in retrospect would just make you a giant target...)

None of this is bad, it's just like, there's dozens of other mil-sci-fi books and yet everyone has to jump in and go "but the book is better!!!"

[jghn]

I don’t believe I said the book was better. You misunderstood my point

[Der_Einzige]

Most people don’t want to admit that the author of the book wants you to take the book and movie at face value and thus the film/book are unironically right wing coded.

A lot of liberals don’t want to admit that.

Similarly, “they live” might have tried to pretend to be liberal coded and that might be the directors intention, but it’s schizo /pol/ right wing coded too in practice. After the Epstein stuff, we need reparations for /pol/ schizos.

[int_19h]

Heinlein's political views are not exactly a secret among people who care for his books.

[Sharlin]

Bastardized? It's satire and not at all subtle about it. You can of course argue that it's poorly executed satire, but judging it based on how faithful it is to the source material is rather missing the point.

[jghn]

I think you're the one who missed the point, as in you missed *my* point.

When I first saw Starship Troopers, I disliked it because it wasn't faithful to the book. Over time I came to appreciate it for what it actually was, and now think it is fantastic.

Likewise, with Hackers I initially disliked it due to how inaccurate and unrealistic it was. I came to appreciate it for what it actually was over time, and now think it is fantastic.

[Sharlin]

Yeah, my bad. For some reason I read your comment really carelessly.

[stevekemp]

  > I think you're the one who missed the point

Yes, I would like to know more ..

[sillysaurusx]

Ha, caught that reference. That brought back memories.

[jghn]

I'm doing my part!

[throaway54]

Starship Troopers is actually nothing like Hackers? Verhoeven's Troopers is a straight-up satire of the USA's industrial-military complex.