[Rzor]

>As a European, I find it very funny to see how nobody in the US is willing to address the elephant in the room called Mossad.

This is driving me up the wall. Look, I know part of this talk/accusation [about Mossad] is coming from Nazi/antisemitic circles, so people being hesitant to engage makes a bit of sense. But come on, it's not a stretch to consider. The idea that the US would let a Russian operation go unchecked like that is completely bonkers.

[throw9235837]

Something “not-being-a-stretch” doesn’t need any consideration without evidence.

[Schmerika]

There's no shortage of evidence of a strong relationship there [0], [1].

What's missing is definitive proof, so far at least. I think you're conflating the two. Evidence and proof are different things - see [2] for a good example of this conflation used the other way.

Anyway, yeah, you can very seriously consider this based on the evidence already out there. Considering the stakes, it would be kinda silly not to imo.

0 - https://www.commondreams.org/news/epstein-israeli-intelligen...

1 - https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA000903...

2 - @NormalIsandNws on X:

“Here is the proof Epstein was a Russian asset:

- his girlfriend was the daughter of a Mossad agent

- one of his best friends was Israel's lawyer

- another of his best friends was a former Israeli prime minister

- he met with the current Israeli prime minister

- a senior Israeli spy would stay at his house for weeks at a time

- a friend invited him to bring his girls to Israel

- he fled to Israel when he was charged with sex crimes against a minor

- he was pictured wearing an IDF shirt

- he was funded by pro-Israel fanatics

- he worked for the Rothschilds

- he donated to pro-Israel student groups

- he was responsible for the Wexner group's "pro-Israel philanthropy"

- he supported Israeli settlement projects

- his friends were all Zionists

- he scathingly referred to non -Jews as "goyim"

- he was involved in Israeli diplomacy efforts

- he brokered security deals for Israel

- he aimed to profit from regime changes in the Middle East

- a former Israeli intelligence officer said he ran a honeypot for Israel

- his business partner confirmed he ran a honeypot for Israel

- one of his victims confirmed he ran a honeypot for Israel

As you can see, all of this was done for the benefit of Russia. There is no other explanation.”

[dlubarov]

Going through the first several -

> his girlfriend was the daughter of a Mossad agent

Some have speculated that he could have been; that doesn't make it true. Anyway, not everyone copies the career track of their ex-girlfriend's father.

> one of his best friends was Israel's lawyer

Dershowitz? He never even represented Israel. Even if he had, I'm not sure what it would have to do with Mossad.

> another of his best friends was a former Israeli prime minister

He was on friendly terms with a lot of politicians. By this logic, he must have been a spy for several different countries.

> a senior Israeli spy would stay at his house for weeks at a time

"Spy" is being used very loosely.

> a friend invited him to bring his girls to Israel

He was invited to lots of places. What does this have to do with spying again?

> he fled to Israel when he was charged with sex crimes against a minor

It's not fleeing to visit somewhere before returning for a trial.

> he was pictured wearing an IDF shirt

This is like suggesting a MAGA hat makes someone a CIA agent.

> he was funded by pro-Israel fanatics

Too vague to refute, and irrelevant anyway.

> he worked for the Rothschilds

This is just false.

> he donated to pro-Israel student groups

Meaning Hillel? I'm not sure what it was to do with Mossad, beyond just being a Jewish organization.

To see how absurd most of the Mossad spy arguments are, just replace Israel with the US. Most of the arguments get much stronger - Epstein was friendly with many American politicians, etc. By the same logic, Epstein was surely a spy for the CIA or other US intelligence.

Or substitute Epstein with some other wealthy, high-profile Jew. In most cases there are just as many Israeli connections, trips to Israel, donations to Jewish groups, etc.

[Schmerika]

Seems you spent a lot of time going through the example I used for conflating proof with evidence, and none referring to the evidence I referred to. Maybe try reading the comment again lol.

Or, don't bother, because it's pretty clear that you're not very familiar with the facts here.

Epstein: "As you probably know I represent the Rothschilds". Thousands of emails with Ariane discussing such.

You: "This is just false" - no counter evidence whatsoever.

> By the same logic, Epstein was surely a spy for the CIA or other US intelligence.

That's what all the evidence points to, yes. That he worked for both the US and Israel. Why else would Kash Patel and others have so blatantly lied all this time?

Either country had more than enough resources and info to have shut down such an operation - if they had wanted to. Instead, it looks a lot like they protected/are protecting him at every turn; sometimes by extreme means.

We know for a near-certain fact that there were compromising tapes on hundreds or thousands of powerful people. Where did they all go, in your beskepticled view?

[dlubarov]

None of this resembles what we normally call "evidence" at all. It's like accusing someone of being a Mossad spy because they're holding an iPhone, which relies on a bunch of Israeli IP.

> "As you probably know I represent the Rothschilds".

What would this have to do with Mossad anyway? It's not surprising that a Jew had some Jewish acquaintances. You probably have Jewish acquaintances too, does that make you a Mossad spy?

[Schmerika]

> None of this resembles what we normally call "evidence" at all.

Who's 'we'? What's your definition of evidence?

> evidence /ĕv′ĭ-dəns/

> noun

> A thing or set of things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment.

> "The broken window was evidence that a burglary had taken place. Scientists weighed the evidence for and against the hypothesis."

> Something indicative; an indication or set of indications.

> "saw no evidence of grief on the mourner's face."

> The means by which an allegation may be proven, such as oral testimony, documents, or physical objects.

...

I'd still like you to see you try and answer my questions:

> he [probably] worked for both the US and Israel. Why else would Kash Patel and others have so blatantly lied all this time?

> We know for a near-certain fact that there were compromising tapes on hundreds or thousands of powerful people. Where did they all go?

If you keep ignoring them, it will be hard to imagine that you're arguing in good faith.