[kreetx]

Summary: legal immigration is very difficult to impossible.

The solution, IMO, isn't "just enter illegally". When you're not a citizen then, quite frankly, the fact that you want to immigrate doesn't matter. It's the country that says whether you should get in or not.

[coloneljelly]

What a novel, insightful conclusion. Thanks for sharing.

[kreetx]

Funny, how the anti ICE crowd wants people to immigrate illegally. What about voting somebody to the office and changing the laws instead?

[pm90]

People have wanted to do the same with abortion and medicare for all as well (both of which poll very highly) and yet neither of these popular policies are law.

[Ar-Curunir]

Are you stupid? Where does Doctorow's post advocate for illegal immigration?

[kreetx]

The entire post reads like a justification to illegal immigration, no?

[donkeybeer]

You should stop living in your head. Your imagination is making up hallucinations and visions that's seriously impairing your life.

[Ar-Curunir]

No, it reads like an explanation of the pain-in-the-ass called immigrating to the US.

[kreetx]

In context of current events it really doesn't.

Also, perhaps the pain is deliberate as to limit the inflow?

Again, vote into office people who do it the way you want and don't try to rip law apart when you're the minority.

[hvb2]

Not all immigration is created equal. There's the economic migration and asylum seekers. Those are 2 distinct groups of people with different motives.

For the true asylum seekers, that feat for their life wherever they're from for example, the laws of the country they're entering just don't matter. If it's a choice between life as an illegal or death I think we would all choose life.

For the economic cases, sure. That's where the legal immigration system applies. And I agree with what you said about rules and each country gets to decide.

[nisegami]

The Europeans didn't refrain from creating colonies in the Americas after learning it was already inhabited.

[eudamoniac]

How did that work out for the previous inhabitants?

[direwolf20]

It's the laws of physics that decide whether you actually get in or not.

[kreetx]

They do, but also only physically.

[nine_k]

It's the law of the land that determines how well are you doing once inside.

[hn_acker]

> It's the law of the land that determines how well are you doing once inside.

That continues to become less true, in the cruelest ways [1]:

> One man told KBI that Border Patrol agents tore his birth certificate up in front of him. He managed to save his Mexican identity card because he had hidden it in his shoe.

[1] https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrols-a...