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by kreetx 131 days ago
From what I've understood, Trump was elected to get illegals out. It also seems that the crime rate is actually going down.
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Crime rate has been going down for 30 consecutive years (except during COVID). Immigrants (legal or otherwise) commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens. "It seems" is doing a lot of work in your comment.
Would you say then that effect of deporting illegals is in fact slowing down the decline?
The logical conclusion to draw is that it has no observable effect on the crime rate.
There is no logical conclusion to draw, you measure this instead.
I don't believe 2025 crime statistics have been released yet, it would take several years of data to conclusively establish a trend, and even if the data did show that, correlation does not equal causation. What does your heart tell you?
Why hedge with "from what I've understood" if you're confident that you're actually talking about reality? Rather, it sounds more like a deliberate badge of ignorance.
Why pick on the expression when you could point out that the opposite is true? If it is, do say.
I did point out that your sentence is false (its framing would have to be honest for its opposite to be true), and also that your sentence structure indicates that you well know it.
"Sounds like deliberate badge of ignorance" means that "crime rate is going up instead"?
The last time I stuck with it and went around in circles with your low-effort leading comments, you eventually just dropped the conversation. Given that I pointed our your framing here is not-even-wrong and yet you're doubling down on it, I don't foresee continuing this exchange being any more productive.
He's done this fucked in the head stupidity with me too, he says utterly random not-even-wrong things out of his ass and keeps mindlessly repeating them as if he didn't hear anything when asked to cite actual case law or statistics. He has literally no idea how American legal system works and makes up absurd crap like filming cops is illegal or makes up crap about ICE agents having "court orders". When I cornered him on this asking him how many were actual court orders and how many legally null internal ICE "Karen" warrants proving he has no fucking idea, he kept repeating his retardation in circles. He still doesn't seem to understand the idea that police cannot and is not granted any powers to decide what is illegal, that is a matter of the courts. He also cited some absurd crap about deportations reducing crime again showing he is making up absurd crap out of his ass, for in many studies immigrants are shown to commit less crimes so deportation would increase the per capita crime rate.
Crime rate has shot up violently. It just isn't being recorded right now. But it will be in future and the perpetrators dealt with, including if necessary by hanging.