[jmyeet]

"People are responsible for their governments" is what I like to call the "Osama bin Laden defense". Put another way, if people are responsible for their governments, that makes any civilian a valid military target.

Taken further, the US has actively deposed or supported the coups of over 50 governments since WW2 [1]. That includes Iranian Revolution of 1979 (where the US supported Khomenei) and Pinochet in Chile. It also includes puppets like Saddam Hussein who committed all sorts of crimes as a US ally including using nerve gas on the Kurds. US sanctions killed half a million children in Iraq according to a UN report. When confronted with this, then UN Ambassador and later Secretary of State Madeline Albright said "the price is worth it" [2].

Economic sanctions are a sanitized way of saying "starving people" and the track record is bleak. Arguably the only time they've ever worked is apartheid South Africa. What they do instead is entrench the very government we supposedly want to get rid of eg North Korea, Iran, Cuba, Russia [3].

So I would respectfully put this to you: you haven't thought this through.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

[2]: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/25/lets-remember-m...

[3]: https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/th...

[HDThoreaun]

The only reason Iran is starving is because their corrupt, incompetent government diverted all the water to insider usage and agriculture imploded. A government that was installed by a domestic political movement with minimal foreign influence. As I said there are certainly instances where the people can’t end their government because of foreign influence, Iran is in no way an example of that. Their domestic political movement fucked themselves and they can only blame themselves.

[Hikikomori]

It's really astounding how you can argue from a position of complete ignorance.