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by OgsyedIE 179 days ago
As an aside, why do DoT pdfs have such gigantic margins/padding around the text content?
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It allows note taking and corrections on drafts.

Same deal with things like SCOTUS opinions. (Random example: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/25pdf/24-624_b07d.pdf)

> Same deal with things like SCOTUS opinions. (Random example: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/25pdf/24-624_b07d.pdf)

I don't think that that's quite right. SCOTUS opinions do indeed use a narrow text size (4 1/8" by 7 1/8" [0]), but that's because they're designed to be printed on unusually narrow paper (6 1/8" by 9 1/4" [0]), not to leave room for taking notes. This paper size actually only leaves 1" margins on either side, which leaves less room for taking notes than most other documents.

[0]: https://www.supremecourt.gov/filingandrules/2023RulesoftheCo...

When the SCOTUS justices and staffers are marking up drafts, they’re likely using regular old letter sized paper.

That they can lop those margins off in the final printing that goes in a bound book is just saving a bunch of paper.

I’d have thought the 20+ pages before getting to the point would have allowed scrap paper for notes.

Maybe the foreword, acknowledgements, preface and various notes contained something of value.

When you're driving a small car, do you expect the lanes to automatically shrink for you?

It's a standard so no one has to think "does this page have enough space", and the notes are often relevant to the current page. Stuff like the photo in https://www.thedailybeast.com/photo-details-obamas-speech-ed...

I was referring to the notes, notices and various preambles occupying the first quarter of the document.
Which are a very different sort of notes than the ones I'm talking about.

They print it out and people go over it with a pen, make corrections, comments, etc.

To me, I read it as they are stating those pages are really useless fluff that could essentially just be ripped out and used as scratch paper as they seemingly serve no other purpose.
Also allows flexibility in terms of binding options
My guess would be that this was designed to be printed on smaller sheets of paper, like used in paperback novels and similar. But for some reason (possibly to make it more convenient to print on standard paper), the PDF was produced with Letter dimensions.

I don't think that it's for taking notes like the other reply [0] suggests, because if that were the case, I would expect for the cover to take up the whole paper width (since nobody would ever take notes on the cover), and I would expect the margin width to alternate between pages (since it's really hard to write on the inner margin in a bound book).

Using the example given in the other reply [0], the SCOTUS opinions are so narrow because they're printed on a bizarre paper size of 6 1/8" by 9 1/4" [1] [2], not to leave room to take notes.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46887595

[1]: https://www.supremecourt.gov/casehand/guidetofilingpaidcases...

[2]: https://www.supremecourt.gov/filingandrules/2023RulesoftheCo...

Paper industry lobbying?