[falloutx]

Basically a rage bait. If the law was bad, does it make it okay to violate it? In fact Anthropic is literally paying $1.5B on the copyright settlement, that indicates its completely a settled issue that AI companies have been violating this law. Some have been caught and fined, others are been lucky or that influence over the government.

> Copyright Law Was Built for Human Scale

No where in the law it has this kinda scoped limits. It has a time limit and scale doesnt not matter. Scale matter in a way that its gets harder to enforces buts that not the fault of copyright law. If you steal at a big scale, its still stealing.

[at1as]

> Basically a rage bait. If the law was bad, does it make it okay to violate it? In fact Anthropic is literally paying $1.5B on the copyright settlement, that indicates its completely a settled issue that AI companies have been violating this law. Some have been caught and fined, others are been lucky or that influence over the government.

Yes, but they were found not liable for copying the books they purchased. They were found liable for the books they torrented.

The former is something publishers still want to address

[arcfour]

> If the law was bad, does it make it okay to violate it?

St. Augustine: "an unjust law is no law at all."

John Marshall, in Marbury v. Madison: "a law repugnant to the constitution is void."

This is actually a fairly well established principle in common law. So, yes.

[saulpw]

> If the law was bad, does it make it okay to violate it?

Yes.

[scotty79]

More than yes. It's commendable.

[repelsteeltje]

(I know these days it feels silly to bring this up, but...)

That is not how the separation of power is supposed to work. If a law is bad, politics (preferably a democratic process representing the people) replaces the law with a better one. Until the new law comes into effect, everyone is supposed to abide by the old law, even if it's bad.

[scotty79]

Laws are created for lobbyist not people. Nothing works in the real world like in the text book democracy. Everything that was written about democracy is as naive as young adults fiction. But I find it refreshing that the real world events finally force more and more people to realize that.

[repelsteeltje]

Yet you, like most of us, probably grew up in a democratic society (?) with a relatively high degree of freedom.

As they say: democracy may not exist, but we'll miss it when it's gone.

[scotty79]

Not really. I grew up in a socialist (communist?) society. A form of democracy closer to ideal than whatever US is doing for the last 2 centuries or more arrived in my teen years. My personal freedoms were mostly unaffected. Most treasured freedom I acquired was the freedom to gtfo which I'm happily using right now.

[int_19h]

Do you think this also applied to stuff like e.g. Fugitive Slave Laws?

[repelsteeltje]

I think build for, here means was intended to work at or with human scale in mind. Not be limited to.

Laws usually don't describe the bigger societal context in which they were conceived.