[RivieraKid]

Not much, only the non-paid non-agent stuff. It's pretty impressive but my estimate is at best a 2x productivity jump for general use.

My worry is that the agentic stuff is reportedly a significant improvement and getting better quickly.

[farmdawgnation]

IMO If you're not using the tools regularly, you should start from the assumption that you're being heavily influenced by the folks that are trying to sell you something. I'm using these agentic tools for writing and improving software many times a day. The way I describe this to people is that it has changed the balance between "do I need to teach the computer to do this" or "do I just do it myself" farther in realm to the former. It's really good a boilerplate which I think is a welcome thing altogether. It's not actually doing the hard thinking that's required to scale something in production, reconcile a conflict between privacy and functionality effectively for your particular customers, or determine with any reliability what will actually sell.

[johnstenner]

only 2x? :( why are we even bothering at that point