[leoedin]

> We have banned heroin so we should be able to ban anything else that's toxic

Except banning heroin clearly didn't work so well! There's still a lot of people using it. And the profits from selling it go to criminal gangs. And the people using it often die due to inconsistent dosing.

How do you define "manipulative potential"? If you ban sugar in drinks, do you ban fruit juice too? Where do we draw the line for "acceptable harm"? Personally I don't want to live in a society which bans huge numbers of things.

[fsflover]

You can tax drinks based on the amount of sugar they contain. Yes, including juices.

[teekert]

Yeah, in my country oat milk is now taxed as a juice, of course milk isn't. So the plant based alternative is now 2x the price of cow milk. Thanx Milk industry.

[cpursley]

Milk is an order of magnitude healthier than the highly processed sludge called oak “milk”.

[fsflover]

Source?

[cpursley]

It’s considered an Ultraproceed food item. Just look up how it’s made and what’s added to it (oils, emulsifiers, fortified with minerals). It’s basically liquid cereal, but maybe worse.

[KempyKolibri]

There’s essentially no evidence that the degree of ultraprocessing affects a food’s healthfulness. There are tenuous and broad associations between UPF content of a diet and health outcomes, but these are based on invalidated FFQs for the exposure we’re interested in, and all the subgroup analyses where available suggest this is driven by SSBs and processed meat.

I’m not sure why we’d consider oils, emulsifiers or fortification and indicator of poor health outcomes.

Whole grain cereals are associated with positive health outcomes so I’m not sure why something being a liquid cereal would be a negative.

FWIW I would agree that oat milk is probably an inferior milk to dairy in most aspects except fibre content, but that’s not because of the reasons you gave. And soy milk seems either equal or superior to dairy milk in all outcomes that I’ve seen.

[fsflover]

> It’s considered an Ultraproceed food item

By whom? Oils are not necessarily bad for you.

[randomNumber7]

I agree. Maybe one would need to ban the misinformative marketing (although I know that opens another can of worms).

[hellweaver666]

What's the difference between a big company and a criminal gang if not for the law? If it wasn't for the big companies, more dangerous things would be illegal, just like Heroin and other hard drugs.

[cobblestone32]

I mean, it's not often you hear about tobacco dealers shooting each other in a crowded mall, or alcohol bosses getting their house blown up (or sometimes their neighbors house). So there might be a few small differences between companies and criminal gangs.

[mapontosevenths]

> or alcohol bosses getting their house blown up (or sometimes their neighbors house).

There was a time when alcohol dealing led to an awful lot of that sort of violence. We put a stop to it when we legalized Alcohol and regulated it.