[COAGULOPATH]

Is it a success? What would that mean, for a social media site that isn't meant for humans?

The site has 1.5 million agents but only 17,000 human "owners" (per Wiz's analysis of the leak).

It's going viral because a some high-profile tastemakers (Scott Alexander and Andrej Karpathy) have discussed/Tweeted about it, and a few other unscrupulous people are sharing alarming-looking things out of context and doing numbers.

[scotty79]

> What would that mean, for a social media site that isn't meant for humans?

For a social media that isn't meant for humans, some humans seem to enjoy it a lot, although indirectly.

[IhateAI]

This is the equivalent of a toddler being entertained by the sound the straps on their Velcro shoes make when they get peeled back and forth.

[lolaccurate]

To be fair, that’s about the intelligence level of the “humans” looking at the site and enjoying it.

“The rocks are conscious” people are dumber than toddlers.

[donkeybeer]

Rocks are conscious people have more sense than those with the strange supernatural belief in special souls that make humans different from any other physical system.

[donkeybeer]

No I'd really like to understand. Are people who make this weird argument aware that they believe in souls and ok with it or do they think they don't believe in souls? You tell me which you are.

[dec0dedab0de]

I don't believe in souls, and it makes me much happier than when I believed in souls as a child.

Though, I have never heard any theist claim that a soul is required for consciousness. Is that what you believe?

[donkeybeer]

I am just asking him to clarify if he things "rocks" can't be conscious simply because they are not human or because he just thinks its not yet at a level but there is no argument against any other physical system being conscious just like the physical system that is a human.

[emp17344]

A belief that LLMs are not conscious does not necessitate a belief in souls. The two positions are not mutually exclusive.

[donkeybeer]

I am asking him to clarify whether he believes its simply impossible for anything human to be conscious, or that he thinks current LLM's are not conscious but its quite possible for a physical system to be conscious just like the physical system called Human is conscious.

[namero999]

I might be misunderstanding GP but I take it to mean "rock are conscious" => "silicon is conscious" => "agents are conscious", which might appeal to some uneducated audience, and create fascination around these stochastic parrots. Which is obviously ridiculous because its premises are still rooted in physicalism, which failed hard on its face to account for anything even tangentially related to subjectivity (which has nothing to do with the trivial mainstream conception of "soul").

[donkeybeer]

I looked up physicalism, it sounds perfectly normal? What else exists that isn't physical and why can't we call that a soul or the supernatural? By definition since its supposedly not physical. We haven't yet found anything non physical in the universe, why this strange belief that our brains would be non physical?

[donkeybeer]

Why not, we are physical systems, computers are physical systems. If not soul, what is this magical non physical special sauce that makes us special and makes it easy to claim silicon is not conscious.

[donkeybeer]

Rocks? And what are humans made of? Magic juice?

[cyanydeez]

Or ammosexuals joining ICE so they can shoot people.

[GorbachevyChase]

I am a cynic, but I thought the whole thing was a marketing campaign, like the stories about how ChatGPT tried to blackmail its user or escape and replicate itself like Skynet. It was pretty clever, though.

[hombre_fatal]

> Is it a success? What would that mean

To answer this question, you consider the goals of a project.

The project is a success because it accomplished the presumed goals of its creator: humans find it interesting and thousands of people thought it would be fun to use with their clawdbot.

As opposed to, say, something like a malicious AI content farm which might be incidentally interesting to us on HN, but that isn't its goal.

[freehorse]

A lot of projects have been successful like that. For a week. I guess "becoming viral" is sort of the success standard for social media, thus for this too being some sort of social media. But that's more akin to tiktok videos than tech projects.

[cyanydeez]

Guys, I can have my AI produce slope and DDoS whatever we want. Just give me a call. LOiC is going to definitely improve the world, surely.

[dthread3]

I call BS on this. 1.5m bots by 17k users means 88 bots per account. No one is running that many claude max accounts. Moltbook was most likely entirely staged. The security was set up so non-bots could do the commenting.