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by jckahn 132 days ago
Yeah I don't understand why everyone seems to have forgotten about the Gemini options. Antigravity, Jules, and Gemini CLI are as good as the alternatives but are way more cost effective. I want for nothing with my $20/mo Google AI plan.
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paxys 132 days ago
Yeah I'm on the $20/mo Google plan and have been rate limited maybe twice in 2 months. Tried the equivalent Claude plan for a similar workload and lasted maybe 40 minutes before it asked me to upgrade to Max to continue.
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lelanthran 132 days ago
> Yeah I'm on the $20/mo Google plan and have been rate limited maybe twice in 2 months. Tried the equivalent Claude plan for a similar workload and lasted maybe 40 minutes before it asked me to upgrade to Max to continue.

The TLDR: The $20/40m cost is more reflective of what inference actually costs, including the amortised cost of the Capex, together with the Opex.

The Long Read:

I think the reason is because Anthropic is attempting to run inference at a profit and Google isn't.

Another reason could be that they don't own their cost centers (GPUs are from Nvidia, Cloud instances are from AWS, data centers from AWS, etc); they own only the model but rent everything else needed for inference so pay a margin for all those rented cost centers.

Google owns their entire vertical (GPUs are google-made, Cloud instances and datacenters are Google-owned, etc) and can apply vertical cost optimisations, so their final cost of inference is going to be much cheaper anyway even if they were not subsidising inference with their profits from unrelated business units.

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jckahn 132 days ago
Well said.

It's for exactly this reason that I believe Google will win the AI race.

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codazoda 132 days ago
It's crazy that we're having such different experiences. I purchased the Google AI plan as an alternative to my ChatGPT (Codex) daily driver. I use Gemini a fair amount at work, so I thought it would be a good choice to use personally. I used it a few times but ran into limits the first few projects I worked on. As a result I switched to Claude and so, far, I haven't hit any limits.
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riku_iki 132 days ago
Google has uncertain privacy settings, there is no declaration they won't train their LLM on your personal/commercial code.
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Zopieux 132 days ago
https://macaron.im/blog/ai-assistant-privacy-comparison#:~:t...

All providers are opt-out. The moat is the data, don't pretend like you don't know.

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riku_iki 132 days ago
per my previous research there is no opt out for gemini cli.
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