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by mcfunley 132 days ago
By the time this is all said and done we’re going to wind down the DHS in its entirety, bogus lists of political enemies included
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That won't happen. This only ends with the collapse of the country.
The US existed just fine before 2003. We can structure any replacement organization to hold it accountable with checks and balances, like every other agency.
Yeah, but there is quite a gulf between possible and even likely.

I can think of very few time seen the state give up extra powers it gives itself in emergencies, and the few places where I see it give up powers are at the behest of industries demanding "de-regulation".

Even, say, cannabis decriminalization can be understood (from the stand point of the legislators) as pro-business.

So serious question: when has the US given up powers? It'd do my brain a lot of good to have a picture of how this has happened in the past so I can be less cynical in the present.

You might site the Church commission, maybe, but that seems to be exactly the kind of thing that is both likely and wholly ineffective beyond a the 5-10 year timescale.

Fair enough I guess. Not exactly the kind of reassurance I'm looking for, though :D !
I've been thinking and more and more along these lines; this doesn't end, WE end.
Well, the rest of the world rejoices when that happens
Not at all, most of us want to live in peace and prosper.

Why the fuck would I want the country most capable to destroy us all to deteriorate?

No it doesn’t, when the US influence wanes you think that void is just gonna sit there untouched?
I certainly prefer the dice being rolled again the US has been a net negative so far.
That’s not helpful
Maybe this is not helpful either, but I wonder if that person is correct. The national debt is already bad. With the trillions of new national debt from the Trump administration, and also the destruction of basically every foreign relationship, how will the country manage its finances? I feel like the only way out is to print money and cause extreme inflation. But that also means the death of the US dollar as the global reserve currency.
Look at any other country that went through a similar period. These regimes never voluntarily relinquish power, but they're forced to within 20 years due to some crushing military defeat, economic collapse, assassination, violent revolt, etcetera. It's never ended with a peaceful transition of power and a smooth winding down of the bad stuff.
The most recent historical example, the USSR, did so. How does that square with your premise and assertion?
The Berlin wall fell when a hundred thousand people were standing at the wall waiting for it to fall.