[redfloatplane]

Wow, thanks for posting that, news to me! In this case I don’t understand why there was a whole brouhaha with OpenClaw and the like - I guess they were invoking it without the official SDK? Because this makes it seem like if you have the sub you can build any agentic thing you like and still use your subscription, as long as you can install and login to Claude code on the machine running it.

[disillusioned]

Tons of chatter on Twitter making it sound like you'll get permabanned for doing this but... 1) how would they know if my requests are originating from Claude Code vs. OpenClaw? 2) how are we violating... anything? I'm working within my usage limits...

$70 or whatever to check if there's milk... just use your Claude Max subscription.

[zarzavat]

> how would they know if my requests are originating from Claude Code vs. OpenClaw

How wouldn't they know? Claude Code is proprietary they can put whatever telemetry they want in there.

> how are we violating... anything? I'm working within my usage limits...

It's well known that Claude code is heavily discounted compared to market API rates. The best interpretation of this is that it's a kind of marketing for their API. If you are not using Claude code for what it's intended for, then it's violating at least the spirit of that deal.

[dceddia]

The Claude Code client adds system prompts and makes a bunch of calls to analytics/telemetry endpoints so it's certainly feasible for them to tell, if they inspect the content of the requests and do any correlation between those services.

And apparently it's violating the terms of service. Is it fair and above board for them to ban people? idk, it feels pretty blatantly like control for the sake of control, or control for the sake of lock-in, or those analytics/telemetry contain something awfully juicy, because they're already getting the entire prompt. It's their service to run as they wish, but it's not a pro-customer move and I think it's priming people to jump ship if another model takes the lead.

[cypherpunks01]

Hate to ask the obvious question but.. how does Claude check for milk?

[firloop]

Was there a brouhaha with OpenClaw or was that with OpenCode?

[disillusioned]

It was with OpenCode, but a LOT of the commentariat is insisting that running OpenClaw through subscription creds instead of API is out of TOS and will get you banhammered.

[redfloatplane]

I think you’re right and it was OpenCode. The semantic collisions are going to becpme more of a problem in the coming Cambrian explosion of software