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by mhb 139 days ago
> if it’s so simple, why nobody proposes it? please re-read paragraph 3

Please re-read Hamas's charter.

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I know I shouldn't, but let's try to have a dialogue. Do you think that if Hamas disappeared and Palestinians became friendly and peaceful, Israel would forever stop expanding its colonies? Can you answer succinctly with a yes or a no avoiding introducing new elements, if possible?
This is a common trope pushed by Iran and others, which is ridiculous if you just look at a map and zoom out until you can see all the Arab countries - Israel becomes barely visible.

Since 1967 the total area under control by Israel has shrunk significantly, with the return of Sinai to Egypt in exchange of lasting peace - that hasn’t been broken in 40 years.

In 2005, Gaza was ethnically cleansed from Jews and all settlements dismantled by Israel.

So the idea that Muslims have to fear an ever expanding Israel is ridiculous.

Yes.
And do you think that the many nationalist, extremist elements in the Israeli society (settlers, right wing parties, the Likud itself that in its founding charter declares that "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty") want this to happen? To have to give up forever any dream and promise of colonising the entire historical Palestine?
It didn't take long for that dialogue idea to go out the window.
Why, I don't get it. You don't think there are extremists or far-right nationalists in Israel? The National Religious Party–Religious Zionism is part of the government. The Likud charter is clear. If you have given a serious thought to the issue, you must have wondered what their attitude would be towards an end to the expansion of Israel.
Conflating the desires of the most extreme Israeli political factions as Israeli policy is disingenuous. And even they don't seek to conquer Gaza. If Israel wanted to overrun Gaza, they could do it in a week. Why hadn't they done this by October 6?

Is this you trying to say that Hamas isn't supported by a huge number of Palestinians who were seen cheering on October 7? Or that they don't explicitly seek to destroy Israel? Even though Hamas, in its wildest imagination couldn't conquer Israel, they foolishly thought it was worth a try. The parallel that you are trying to manufacture exists only in your imagination.