[hn-acct]

Agreed. People use any thread mentioning swift to dunk on Apple for X number of reasons with vague details and regurgitated dogma. I get Xcode has quirks I use it everyday believe me I know but it's not that bad that it's unusable.

[lelanthran]

> I get Xcode has quirks I use it everyday believe me I know but it's not that bad that it's unusable.

It's not unusable, but it's not that great either. When I have a project that requires Xcode I certainly don't look forward to it the way I do such as wehn I have a project that doesn't need any specific IDE.

As a sidenote; I recently (1 year ago, maybe?) did a C project in Eclipse, and was blown away but just how snappy, quick and, utlimately, enjoyable it was compared to VS Code.

[belmont_sup]

I recently really wanted to use Swift server side because of all the updates to Vapor.

Ran vapor new. Tried to build the project. Laptop spun for minutes and got really hot. Then I gave up and just went back to the usual.

[12_throw_away]

> but it's not that bad that it's unusable

Yeah, so I tried XCode with a couple of years ago. Within 2 hours of working on my very first project, it somehow corrupted either my project's metadata and/or its own internal preferences so badly that it would no longer launch - it would just crash to Desktop instantly. Literally the most unusable application I've used in recent memory!

[realusername]

And the app upload is so broken, Apple released a third party tool to bypass their own IDE...

[user34283]

I only use Xcode rarely, and I'm unfamiliar with its quirks.

That is precisely what makes it such a bad experience compared to my work in JetBrains IDEs or vscode.

Together with an unfamiliar platform I also have to fight that weird IDE.