[hiprob]

Currently, the Russian government is trying to squeeze people out of Telegram and move them over to MAX: https://caspianpost.com/regions/russia-tightens-telegram-res... WhatsApp also operates in Russia, despite Instagram and Facebook being banned. So I wouldn't count on its E2EE either. Signal still requires a phone number and proprietary Google blobs on mobile. Many third-party Telegram clients exist - Signal allows none.

[maqp]

The real story is, MAX is there to scare people into Telegram. Durov isn't your friend, neither is Putin who doesn't bother blocking connections to the server.

>So I wouldn't count on its E2EE either.

This is the worst way to assses E2EE deployment. 5D-chess.

>Signal still requires a phone number and proprietary Google blobs on mobile.

Telegram also requires a phone number. If you didn't have double standards, I bet you'd have no standards.

>Many third-party Telegram clients exist

The official implementation and default encryption matters. 99.99% just assume Telegram is secure because Putin supposedly tries to block it. They don't know it's not E2EE. And no third party TG desktop client offers cross-platform E2EE or E2EE groups. IIRC there's exactly one desktop client that tries to offer E2EE 1:1 chats but that's not seamless. TG has no idea how to make seamless E2EE like Signal.

You ignoring that Signal is both open source and always E2EE and complaining about it's "proprieatry blobs" yet looking past TG's atrocious E2EE speaks volumes.

[hiprob]

>This is the worst way to assses E2EE deployment. 5D-chess.

How would you explain the fact that WhatsApp remains unblocked in Russia, when all other major messengers except Telegram and Meta's own products all got banned there?

>Telegram also requires a phone number. If you didn't have double standards, I bet you'd have no standards.

Not my point. I'm pointing out a flaw that both messengers share.

>TG has no idea how to make seamless E2EE like Signal.

Because it's never seamless. Loading your messages on Signal can take quite a while. Also if you receive a message over 2 weeks ago without checking your phone in the meantime, you may as well have never received it.

>You ignoring that Signal is both open source and always E2EE and complaining about it's "proprieatry blobs" yet looking past TG's atrocious E2EE speaks volumes.

Why are you ignoring the fact Signal actively prohibits third-party clients? Why the air quotes on proprieatry blobs? Yes, Telegram is far from perfect, and inferior to Signal when it comes to E2EE. But what makes you reject the proprieatry blob claim when it's true? Because your favorite messenger is being attacked?

[maqp]

>Loading your messages on Signal can take quite a while.

Yeah if you have to go through hundreds of ratchet steps, yeah it will take time. That's expected. The only way to make it faster than that is to deploy it without privacy. That's cheating.

>Why are you ignoring the fact Signal actively prohibits third-party clients?

Because it's not a problem for security.

>Yes, Telegram is far from perfect, and inferior to Signal when it comes to E2EE.

Telegram's lack of ubiquitous E2EE is a blocking issue. Signal's wait times is a problem that goes away with 5G, 6G etc., and with them nanometers going down.

>But what makes you reject the proprieatry blob claim when it's true?

What blobs? Firebase? I have bad news for you wrt Telegram https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram?tab=readme-ov-file#compila...

>Because your favorite messenger is being attacked?

Not my favorite messenger. Nor is it my messenger. Signal is the best messenger for day-to-day use though.