[teunispeters]

I am in the prairies of Canada:

1) -20c weather or colder - not really

2) no, see previous. Bikes don't handle snow.

3) no, see previous.

4) no, unsafe. (this is a me problem. Until people stop smoking on or near public transit, it remains unsafe for me)

5) no, this is a really REALLY rude question. Part of it is city design prioritizing suburbs, but part of it is that the moving has a very high cost, and only increasing as property / rent prices continue to skyrocket. Mind, that's mostly a Canadian problem....

6) An interesting question. This one works.

7) Not really, infrastructure isn't much present yet for used EVs. Mind, it's possible, just not easy to find.

8) same as previous

9) Not easily, prices are much too high. This may change with introduction of Chinese EVs though.

10) same as previous

11) MUCH easier than other options. In some parts, going back as far as 100 years is doable in getting a car.

So we - when we finally needed a second car - went 11. Moving is out (cost of moving is comparable to buying a new car), and a new car is expensive enough that the cost is too high to carry. But then, we are not wealthy either, and I have no idea who can afford to buy that many new cars, but it ain't most people I've met or worked with. I see cars - like public transit in far too many cities in Canada - as pricing itself out of usability.

[thelastgallon]

Thank you for the step-by-step execution! And 11 is the best solution when none of the above work. There are still scenarios where gas cars cover the edge cases. The first thing is to completely stop buying new gas cars. A new gas car will continue to pollute for the next 20 years. We can immediately stop all new gas car production and in the next 2 decades transition entirely to EVs.

[matsemann]

I bike year around in Norway. On most snow days I blast past car traffic. Cars can't handle at all if it's not plowed.

[teunispeters]

Norway is a LOT warmer than prairie Canada. You want an equivalent, go maybe 600km north. heh. (not entirely a joke. Mind as far as I can tell, typical North Pole weather is also warmer than Saskatchewan winters, so ... weather is weird)

I know the Antarctic is typically a lot colder, though.

[seanmcdirmid]

Canada is more like northeast China which is like -20 C right now, but can get down to -40 C. They still are moving to EVs though.

[teunispeters]

Siberia is a FAR better comparison than China. Among many other reasons, most of the prairies are similarly arid, and temperatures are definitely similar. Similar range of climates too (Siberia's got people a lot more spread out though).

[seanmcdirmid]

Harbin is north of Vladivostok you know? But yah, Yakutsk is where you can’t turn your car off in the winter (well, they have auto start and stop now to keep the engine from freezing, no power outlets like in Fairbanks for block heaters) and often have to encase the whole car in a warming sock (which is exactly how you imagine it). Yakutsk is east of Siberia in the Saka republic though, the closest comparable city in Siberia is Norilsk (not as cold or populous as Yakutsk).

[teunispeters]

Yakutsk sounds similar to where I live now. Mind ... a lot of the Canadian prairies are "empty" (not really, lots of farms... but not a lot of cities that aren't close to the US border). Similar weather at least.

[teunispeters]

I hope Canada moves more to EVs too. Right now they're luxury priced ...

... I work in the EV industry. (school busses though)

[jenadine]

> Bikes don't handle snow.

Not much worse than car. You can get studded tyres.

But yes, the cold can be inconvenient without proper clothes.

[teunispeters]

eh, 30cm of broken ragged ice, a light layer of snow over top ... that's a Saskatoon Saskatchewan winter road.

so a LOT worse. heck the car does not handle it very well.

the wind makes it worse for clothing too, mind I have driven a jeep without a windshield or roof at -40C and that was more cold than I ever want to repeat. It was rather worse than working out in a field with survey gear at -55C and white out winds...