[megous]

So with 8 customers per box (AMD EPYC™ 9645 CPU has 96 cores) if they have single-cpu boxes, that would need 256 GiB RAM.

CPU launch price 11000 USD. RAM will likely be another 10000 USD

20000 / 8 customers / 40 USD/mo = 62 months just to recoup CPU and RAM let alone other components.

Weird, whenever I napkin math offers of any HW for renting, I get that I could buy it myself in 1-2 years of rent. Sometimes faster.

Do they not intend to recoup the costs of HW? :)

[mschuster91]

> 20000 / 8 customers / 40 USD/mo = 62 months just to recoup CPU and RAM let alone other components.

the most important question is the power, such a setup will blow through easily 500W of power. Granted, a datacenter may not pay 33 ct/kWh but even then, 1/3rd of the monthly income will just go towards naked electricity, not including cooling.

Electricity costs are ridiculous.

[direwolf20]

Oversubscribe your hardware and you can do better. Most of your customers are idle most of the time.

[Imustaskforhelp]

Yea some cloud providers are notorious for it.

Netcup does oversubscribe/overshare but not sooo much. I have a server there and I don't really observe too much but although I haven't really gotten ways to detect that stealing factor but there are definitely scripts to detect it, maybe I will run it some day but oh well the laziness.

The most overshared vps provider I know is contabo. Literally search anything on reddit,lowendbox, literally anywhere where there are people and they mention about how ~20-30% figure top of my head could be oversubscribed

I am not exactly sure but my point is that when I first saw them, I found them the cheapest option (with their contabo auctions for something at really scale like 96 gb ram or something) but they are literally out of my book as well even as a frugal guy just because of how unstable they are or how much consistent I have seen people struggle about contabo. It's simply unrecommended imho. Netcup's 10x more pleasant from what I see other people's reaction to. People do mention some stealing factor on netcup but overall its really good and that sort of aligns with my experience with them too ig/

[direwolf20]

Their goal should be to keep stealing close to zero while utilizing all their hardware. You want this too, because it keeps costs down. It does mean sometimes there will be stealing spikes, but most customers don't want to spend twice as much to avoid that, so it's a win/win.

[Imustaskforhelp]

Agreed. From what I know in hosting business/vps providers, they usually have it for a 2x factor. And honestly its not even noticable so much mostly as you mention not unless they have a crazy factor like from what I hear contabo has from forums

This is also the reason why vps's are said to not use 100% usage 24/7 as it can be noisy for other people.

Also another interesting idea by netcup is that they launche virtual dedicated cores (but still vps at heart) where you actually can use 100% usage 24/7 but to be honest on websites like lowendtalk, I have heard that be described as eerily similar to either bare metal instance or this new cloud metal instance terminology as well but the difference to me feels vdedicores atleast on netcup are focused to be more cheaper than dedicated in many instances but I haven't compared it but I have heard it be described as such in lowendtalk ig.

[miyuru]

Not to mention their network is over used/congested as well. there are constant IPv4 issues and IPv6 goes down for several days.

One of my client had dedicated servers in contabo and had to move to OVH because of it.

[megous]

Sure, but they specifically state it's "dedicated". So I guess it really is not, because price doesn't make sense otherwise.