[misiek08]

Maybe I’m just naive enough, because I love cars and progress, but I think you agree that he really showed our whole small world that EV can exist and work. Everyone laughed, no one believed it will work and here he still is rich and we have Teslas everywhere. Driving, not killing more people than other brands.

[toomuchtodo]

I think China would’ve gotten us to here without Tesla.

[longitudinal93]

Except that the Model Y accounts for more fatalities than any other car out there.

[codebolt]

Going to need a citation on this one.

[ted_dunning]

I don't even think it is correct. Teslas as a whole have twice the fatality rate [1] per billion miles as the industry overall and the model Y has a rate 4x the industry average, but that can't overwhelm the fact that there are too few Teslas on the road to make that 2x or 4x turn into more total fatalities.

[1] https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62919131/tesla-has-highes...

[darkwater]

A quote from the original study [1], in which Porsche 911 is the 4th on the list

“The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities.”

I would like to remind you that Tesla's least powered vehicle has around 300HP and needs ~7s to go from 0 to 100km/h. Musk is a moron but Teslas are still good and safe vehicles.

[1] https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study

[jlongr]

Is it really safe to unleash 300hp daily drivers with instant torque and significantly greater weight to the general public?

[darkwater]

That's another question, and not a dumb one at all! But still, while the product is what it is, there is still personal responsibilities in using it properly and safely. Otherwise we should ask regulators to just prohibit this kind of vehicles.

[DennisP]

That ship has long since sailed. My college-age niece just bought her first car, which is a 2012 V6 Mustang with 305hp, naturally aspirated. I'm sure it's lighter, but that just makes it faster.