[py4]

1. No, implementing well defined requirements were not commoditized a decade ago. You still have to come up with the design and proper (efficient,correct,...) solution that respects the requirements. it was and still is the skill set of a L4/L5 SWE.

2. If you think LLMs cannot help with navigating ambiguity and requirements, you are wrong. it might not be able to 100% crack it (due to not having all the necessary context), but still help a lot.

[raw_anon_1111]

You realize you are arguing my point? We are in complete agreement about #1.

As far as #2, I came into a large project at my new at the time company last year one week before having to fly out to a customer site. I threw everything I could find about the project into NotebookLM and started asking it questions like I would ask the customer. Tools like Gong are pretty good to at summarizing calls. I agree with you on #2.

I am at a point now where I am the first technical person after sales closes a deal and I lead (larger) projects and do smaller projects myself. But I realize remotely, my coworkers from Latin America are just as good as I am now and cheaper.

I’m working on moving to a sales role when I see the time coming. It’s high touch and the last thing that can’t be taken over.

I would never have trusted any L4 or L5 SWE I met at AWS anywhere near one of my customers (ProServe). But they also wouldn’t let me put code into a repo that ran an AWS service. Fair is fair

If I remember correctly, the leveling guidelines were (oversimplifying).

An L4 should be able to handle a well defined story

An L5 should be able to handle a well defined Epic where the what is known bit not how

An L6 should be able to lead a more ambiguous longer term project made of multiple Epics.

[py4]

I was saying it was not commoditized a decade ago, but i feel it's getting commoditized *now*. So you seem to be basically saying SWE is over and it's time to move on to something that is primarily based on human-human interaction?

[raw_anon_1111]

Yes it has to be. LLMs are getting to the point they can do everything else. What they can’t do, cheaper non US labor can.

For context, the software developer market in the US is very bimodal, most developers are on the enterprise dev side (including most startups like YC companies). I’m referring to this side - not FAANG and equivalent

By commoditization back then, I knew there was nothing I could do on that side of the market that would let me make more than around $150K-$165K. My plan then was to get on the other side of the market in 2020 after my youngest graduated and out of enterprise dev.

“Commodization” now means too many people chasing too few job. In 2016, I could throw my resume up in the air and get three or four random enterprise dev job offers within less than a month - now not so much.

I discovered AWS belatedly later that year and my thesis was changed to I want to do #1 that you said above - customer focused, using AWS as a tool, and bringing a developer mindset to cloud implementations.

It just magically happened in June 2020 that both felt into my lap - cloud consulting full time opportunity at BigTech (no longer there thankfully).