[ktizo]

If I were a muslim girl getting discriminated against for wearing a hijab, I'd stop wearing the hijab.

So you would, I guess, also suggest that Sikhs should stop wearing turbans, Jews should stop wearing a kippah, nuns should stop wearing habits, pagans should stop wearing pentangles, etc.

Not only is your suggestion frankly both offensive and pretty idiotic, but the world it would lead to would have even more discrimination than now and be a hell of a lot more boring.

[guylhem]

Excellent point. But "if the result of happiness_from_identification_with_current_religion + happiness_from_how_people_make_me_feel" is negative, maybe a) you are unhappy, b) it's not an untractable problem because c) there is something you can change in the equation, and there is something you can't change.

You know the saying - you can't change the others, only yourself.

[icebraining]

Some things are worth being unhappy about.

"The more we gave in, the more we complied with that kind of treatment, the more oppressive it became."

[guylhem]

I guess it all depends on one's utility function.

If you think that in life, suffering is a good thing, or that some things are more important that your own happiness, yes they are.

[icebraining]

Even if you only consider personal happiness as important, you should reflect on the quote I posted. Some temporary unhappiness and struggle may be preferable in the long run.

[ktizo]

Perhaps there is a bit more to life than a 'utility function'.

[YuriNiyazov]

No there isn't. That's the beauty of a 'utility function' - it _is_ the "what there is to life".

[ktizo]

Only from a very narrow set of perspectives. There are many perspectives on life and for many of them a 'utility function' would seem nonsensical at best. Economics is not as all-encompassing a discipline as some people would like to make out.

[wpietri]

Right, and this is basically saying that we should be aware of how much anti-Muslim prejudice sucks to experience, so that we can start changing ourselves.

[ktizo]

I'm not sure I agree with that saying. There would seem to be overwhelming evidence against it for one thing.

[Jach]

> So you would, I guess, also suggest that Sikhs should stop wearing turbans, Jews should stop wearing a kippah, nuns should stop wearing habits, pagans should stop wearing pentangles, etc.

Only if said individuals of the group are uncomfortable with their experience of discrimination. Others have thicker skins and ignore it, and some don't face any discrimination at all. Some want to rebel against society like a teenager and knowingly do stuff that gets them disapproval. My advice is an obvious solution to a specific problem, it does not generalize to "all members of X".

[ktizo]

So you are saying that if you are uncomfortable with your experience of discrimination then you should change your appearance to appease your persecutor?

Do you make this crap up yourself, or does it get sent to you through the mail as part of your subscription to Batshit Monthly?

[wpietri]

I believe it actually comes in Privileged Young White Dude Fortnightly.

[supersaiyan]

Its a matter of psychological dissonance; when you're under that much pressure, you either change your thought (ignore the haters) or change your actions (stop wearing Hijab), it's a subjective thing, no point on arguing whats right or wrong here.