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by NicuCalcea 138 days ago
Ah, perhaps. I understood it a little more broadly to include everything beyond pseudocode, rather than purely being able to use your fingers. You can solve a problem with pseudocode, and seasoned devs won't have much of an issue converting it to actual code, but it's not a fun process for everyone.
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logicprog 138 days ago
Yeah I basically write pseudocode and let the ai take it from there.
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eslaught 138 days ago
But this is exactly my point: if your "code" is different than your "pseudocode", something is wrong. There's a reason why people call Lisp "executable pseudocode", and it's because it shrinks the gap between the human-level description of what needs to happen and the text that is required to actually get there. (There will always be a gap, because no one understands the requirements perfectly. But at least it won't be exacerbated by irrelevant details.)

To me, reading the prompt example half a dozen levels up, reminds me of Greenspun's tenth rule:

> Any sufficiently complicated C++ program contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of Common Lisp. [1]

But now the "program" doesn't even have formal semantics and isn't a permanent artifact. It's like running a compiler and then throwing away the source program and only hand-editing the machine code when you don't like what it does. To me that seems crazy and misses many of the most important lessons from the last half-century.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun%27s_tenth_rule (paraphrased to use C++, but applies equally to most similar languages)

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logicprog 138 days ago
Replying to sibling comment:

the problem is that you actually have to implement that high level DSL to get Lisp to look like that, and most DSLs are not going to be able to be as concise and abstract as a natural language description of what you want, and then just making sure it resulted in the right thing — which then I'd want to use AI for, to write that initial boilerplate, from a high level description of what the DSL should do.

And a Lisp macro DSL is not going to help with automating refactors, automatically iterating to take care of small compiler issues or minor bugs without your involvement so you can focus on the overall goal, remembering or discovering specific library APIs or syntax, etc.

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