[zo1]

I don't think we conceptually live in the same universe if you think those things about the democratic 2024 messaging. I just don't understand how you and your opposing commenters can have any meaningful discussion if you're so wildly differing in interpretation of such a public topic.

[watwut]

It is simple, what "opposing commenters" are talking about, is what REPUBLICANS said that democrats are saying. You know, what Trump, Vance and the rest of Fox news were accusing democrats of. I would note that these are not exactly notorious truth tellers.

The person I responded to likely never listened to or cared about what democratic politicians are saying.

[zo1]

But you could say the same thing the other way, that's the point. I.e. you're not listening to what Republicans are actually saying but rather what "Democrats" are saying the republicans are saying.

Even your response is oblivious to the point, and you're doubling-down on "only the other side (Republicans) is liars, my side aren't liars" as a way to address the fundamentally different realities you and them seem to occupy.

[watwut]

I am saying what republicans are saying and were saying. You are either not listening to them or just lying about what they said.

> I.e. you're not listening to what Republicans are actually saying but rather what "Democrats" are saying the republicans are saying.

You can do that, but you would be lying.

> you're doubling-down on "only the other side (Republicans) is liars, my side aren't liars"

Yes, republicans lie more. That includes situation around the two murders in Minnesota. That includes claims that European NATO members never helped USA.

> as a way to address the fundamentally different realities you and them seem to occupy.

There is one reality and one "side" is lying about it a lot. Starting to lie the same way as they do wont solve the problem, it will make it worst.