[dragonwriter]

> > Given ICE's unpopularity

> Seems divided along party lines unfortunately.

Is there a partisan split? Very much. Is ICE deeply unpopular? Also very much.

Net support (% support minus % oppose) for abolishing ICE is at +5 overall; +61 with Democrats, +12 with independents, and -54 with Republicans.

Net approval of ICE is at -22 overall; -81 with Democrats, -39 with independents, and +60 with Republicans.

https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/53939-more-americ...

[JCattheATM]

If ICE were as unpopular as you say with conservatives, they would not have been defending both murders with such passion. I guess this is the difference in listening to the 'streets' vs a carefully sampled poll.

[dragonwriter]

Where did I say anything about ICE being unpopular with conservatives?

[JCattheATM]

You didn't, sorry. Had the discussion with the other guy in the thread in mind trying to argue that's the case.

[estearum]

Lol, if you think that's what our discussion was about, you are deeply confused.

[JCattheATM]

I'm not, you're just deeply biased and defensive.

[refurb]

Looking at net support is an odd way to look at the data.

Overall approval of Trump's immigration policy is floating around 50% +/- 5%. That means 1 out of every 2 Americans support it. That seems quite high to me.

[ModernMech]

Many Americans understand "Trump's immigration policy" to be "deport murderers, rapists, and drug dealers".

But what's happening now is that Trump pulled a bait and switch -- when he said "deport criminals" the crime he had in mind was that of being an undocumented immigrant, whereas everyone else had in their head when he said criminal he meant "murders, rapist, gangbanger, drug dealers". Not "people going through the asylum process and my roofer".

For a lot of people, they just want to see immigrants come in the "right way", but for the Trump administration they don't want to see any immigrants who are not white.

So when people say they support Trump's immigration policies, you have to really dissect what they mean by that. Which policies? The ones he campaigned on, the ones they wish he campaigned on and are ascribing to him regardless, or the ones actually being implemented?

[dragonwriter]

> Looking at net support is an odd way to look at the data.

Its a lot more useful as a single number to look at than either “support” or “oppose”, because those don't tell you how much of the excluded amount is on the other side versus undecided.

> Overall approval of Trump's immigration policy is floating around 50% +/- 5%

Overall immigration policy is a different and broader question, but, no, its not.

39% support, with 53% opposed; support hasn't been at or above 45% (the floor of your claimed 50% ± 5%) since the beginning of last summer.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-immigration-approval...

[refurb]

Depends what polls you look at I guess?

Ipsos just ran a poll saying 66% of Americans support deporting immigrations in the country illegally. That's 7 out of every 10.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/majority-americans-support-depor...