[rlpb]

Imagine a fully statically linked version of Debian. What happens when there’s a security update in a commonly used library? Am I supposed to redownload a rebuild of basically the entire distro every time this happens, or else what?

[electroly]

Steel-manning the idea, perhaps they would ship object files (.o/.a) and the apt-get equivalent would link the system? I believe this arrangement was common in the days before dynamic linking. You don't have to redownload everything, but you do have to relink everything.

[wpollock]

> Steel-manning the idea, perhaps they would ship object files (.o/.a) and the apt-get equivalent would link the system? I believe this arrangement was common in the days before dynamic linking. You don't have to redownload everything, but you do have to relink everything.

This was indeed comon for Unix. The only way to tune the systems (or even change the timezone) was to edit the very few source files and run make, which compiled those files then linked them into a new binary.

Linking-only is (or was) much faster than recompiling.

[holowoodman]

But if I have to relink everything, I need all the makefiles, linker scripts and source code structure. I might as well compile it outright. On the other hand, I might as well just link it whenever I run it, like, dynamically ;)

[rlpb]

And then how would this be any different in practice from dynamic linking?

[throwaway2046]

Libraries already break their ABI so often that continuously rebuilding/relinking everything is inevitable.

[rlpb]

Debian manages perfectly well without.

[saidinesh5]

Only because of the enormous efforts put in by debian package maintainers and it's infrastructure.

If you're a an indie developer wanting your application to run on various debian based distros but the debian maintainers won't package your application, that's when you'd see why it's called DLL hell, how horribly fragmented the Linux packaging is and why even steam ships their whole run time.

[rlpb]

Everything inside Debian is fine. That's most of the ecosystem apart from the very new stuff that isn't mature enough yet. Usually the reason something notable stays out if Debian long term is when that thing has such bad dependency hygiene that it cannot easily be brought up to standard.

[paddim8]

Then you update those dependencies. Not very difficult with a package manager. And most dependencies aren't used by a ton of programs in a single system anyway. It is not a big deal in practice.

[rlpb]

This would only work if you use dynamic linking. Updating dependencies in a statically built distribution would have no effect.

[yxhuvud]

Honestly, that doesn't sound too bad if you have decent bandwidth.