[themafia]

> I don't mind being labeled a terrorist.

You should. It's not meant for your vanity and it represents and extreme overreach by the government. It doesn't make you "cool."

> But you couldn't pay me to go there.

Of course we could. Aside from that this mentality always shocks me. There are more civilians in the US than government agents. What were you expecting when you got here? It's madness..

> One man's terrorist...

Is another mans freedom fighter. Sure, fine, if you want a civil war. Perhaps a more civilized approach is called for? Unless you particularly enjoy digging graves for your friends.

[abeyer]

> Perhaps a more civilized approach is called for?

It certainly is, but one side doesn't seem to think so.

[themafia]

The "other side" says the same thing.

I think you're both being manipulated by cynical people who have extensive access to the media that you do not.

Seems far more likely, no?

[ejdndjrnnd]

A civil war is coming whether you like it or not.

The mentally-ill are running the asylum and executing citizens. No matter what crazy shit the gop/tea party/maga have accused the left of NONE of it came to pass until they themselves were in power.

The administration WANTS a civil war; they’re ensuring one happens.

If you’re against owning guns, you’re in for a world of hurt. So buckle-up butter cup, shit is gonna be insane soon.

[themafia]

> The mentally-ill are running the asylum and executing citizens.

The the natural outcome should be rebellion. Why would it be civil war? Do you presume that the "other half" completely agree with Trump and would literally fight you to the death over it? You bandy about these terms as if you do not understand their true meaning.

> The administration WANTS a civil war

So you're going to play exactly into that? Why on earth would you give your "enemy" precisely what they seem to want? You can't detect the manipulation here?

> you’re in for a world of hurt

One of us is.

[iJohnDoe]

Arguably, there is a major contingency that will support Trump no matter what. We know this already. They are not shy about it.

So yes, there certainly would be some level of civil war.

It would be wishful thinking it would only be the people rising up against the government. If we had any level of that type unification then we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in now.

[jacquesm]

> You should. It's not meant for your vanity and it represents and extreme overreach by the government.

That's your opinion, I don't necessarily share it.

> It doesn't make you "cool."

What made you think that I thought it looked cool. I just realize that at some point play time is over.

> Of course we could.

No, you can't. And the fact that you think you can is interesting. 'No' means 'No'. You can not pay me to go to the United States, period. I have lived on the border for years and have friends there, already missed a funeral. It isn't going to happen until sanity returns and frankly I don't see that happening in the next decade or two so most likely I will never go back there.

> Aside from that this mentality always shocks me.

What shocks you? That people abroad look at the USA and evaluate their options? What's so shocking about that?

> There are more civilians in the US than government agents.

Indeed, and a good chunk voted for this and I can't easily tell them apart.

> What were you expecting when you got here?

Well, the last time I went it cost me a couple of really good boots. Who knows what it will cost me next time?

> It's madness..

Yes, but it is not my madness and I don't have to factor in ICE into my daily affairs. As a visitor into the United States that would be a major factor, as many people have already found out, which you seem to conveniently skip over. I don't visit places where the rule of law is that shaky.

> Is another mans freedom fighter. Sure, fine, if you want a civil war.

No, I don't want a civil war. But I can't stand by idly while people are oppressed by their government and that makes it much better for me not to be exposed to such situations. Countries I will not visit: Russia, China, United States, Iran, North Korea, most of Africa, quite a few more countries in Asia. Countries that I would reluctantly visit: Most of Latin America, probably some others. Countries that I'm happy to visit: all of the EU, some countries bordering the EU, Japan, Australia, New Zealand.

> Perhaps a more civilized approach is called for?

Have you watched the news recently? I think it is pretty clear what the civilized side is in these conflicts.

> Unless you particularly enjoy digging graves for your friends.

No, I don't enjoy that. But my friends that have died in one particular struggle did so in the firm belief that what they were doing was just and right and I share their belief. I'm old enough to realize that if you don't stand up when it matters then you're just as bad as the rest.

Germany had a good chance to stand up to fascism and blew it. If fascists take over where I live or nearby you can count me in to be on the other side. I've read my grandmothers' diaries and I have written about that before, it is a stark reminder of what happens as soon as the gestapo starts doing the rounds.