[ic_fly2]

Generally not a fan of geohot, but this is pretty possible, especially once self driving tech becomes available through suppliers like mobile eye / Bosch/ continental etc. (it’s possible it will stay a Tesla / Waymo duopoly but I doubt it)

[ddalex]

> it will stay a Tesla / Waymo duopoly

The chinese already run self driving taxis in ~20 cities, more then Waymo and certainly outpacing Teslas. The Duopoly ship sailed.

[spwa4]

Well you should keep in mind that my cat matches Tesla when it comes to self-driving taxis. My cat runs 0 self-driving taxis. Tesla runs 0 self-driving taxis.

The problem with Waymo is simple: at the price they're doing it, it isn't worth doing. Waymo only works with real drivers ready to take over at the first sign of trouble, so it's at best level 3 self driving, definitely not level 4. This may compare favorably with Tesla's taxis who failed level 3 self-driving and proved to be unsafe at level 2, which really is failing level 2 if we're honest.

I mean, Musk SCREAMs in the news they're improving, but let's not forget this is the same Musk that promised level 5 self-driving by 2016 (2014 if you count ...). And if you can tell: yes, I'm still pissed about believing him enough to pay for that.

[ddalex]

I beg to differ, waymo doesn't have humans ready to take over at the first sign of trouble, there are no remote-driven Waymos. The operators make remote high level executive decisions by clickin items in a menu, not by driving.

Also Waymo is cash positive per car, and more expensive then human drivers - they accidentally unlocked a premium market where people are happy to pay extra to not deal with other humans. At their price point its certainly worth doing the robotaxi business